Why is everybody picking on SDAs?

[John t]

[SIZE=3]Pipiripi[/SIZE] wrote this on another thread here​

Everybody that attack our SDA pioneers, are not from God. Why? Because they don't know their foundation!!

In all seriousness, can you think of a non hate-filled reason why posters discuss, do not like some of the things y'all teach and believe? No, it is not a trap, and I believe that your words are written from a position of fear, and perhaps anger.

 

[Pipiripi]

In all seriousness, can you think of a non hate-filled reason why posters discuss, do not like some of the things y'all teach and believe? No, it is not a trap, and I believe that your words are written from a position of fear, and perhaps anger.

Ask any questions about the SDA CHURCH I will answered all your questions BIBLICAL. But if I ask you questions, I want also to get my answer from the Bible.

First I will never get angry because my faith is based on the Bible and our pioneers.

Second I am not a SDA today church member. I am from the pioneers. We don't believe in the teaching of the Trinity. Our pioneers never was a trinitarian. So I'm ready for all the so called teachers of the Bible today!! Thanks for your invitation.

 

[John t]

Ask any questions about the SDA CHURCH I will answered all your questions BIBLICAL. But if I ask you questions, I want also to get my answer from the Bible.

That seems good, but I press a little further. Do you believe that the Bible says what it means, and means what it says in the original languages?

First I will never get angry because my faith is based on the Bible and our pioneers.

I never heard about the "pioneers" What I do know about the SDA church is its connection with the Millerites.

Your reply seemed to be angry, that is the reason behind my statement

 

[Pipiripi]

That seems good, but I press a little further. Do you believe that the Bible says what it means, and means what it says in the original languages?



I never heard about the "pioneers" What I do know about the SDA church is its connection with the Millerites.

Your reply seemed to be angry, that is the reason behind my statement

Okay, now you note that I'm not angry. My problem is that I'm not an English man. I just defend myself. That's why I have said in the greetings. I can defend myself with 4 languages.

If you want to know who is the SDA church pioneers, search for it in Wikipedia. Just write The SDA church pioneers.

Yes I believe it, and there are many symbolic language in the Bible. When you are going to read your Bible, put yourself in that time of the scene of the story that you are reading. Get in the shoes of everybody, but not
Jesus or God. Let me know how it works. Just put your name when it is talking to a person. Ask me more questions! Thanks to listen to me, and I appreciate the way you are talking to me.

 

[Buzzard]

Okay, now you note that I'm not angry. My problem is that I'm not an English man. I just defend myself. That's why I have said in the greetings. I can defend myself with 4 languages.

If you want to know who is the SDA church pioneers, search for it in Wikipedia. Just write The SDA church pioneers.

Yes I believe it, and there are many symbolic language in the Bible. When you are going to read your Bible, put yourself in that time of the scene of the story that you are reading. Get in the shoes of everybody, but not
Jesus or God. Let me know how it works. Just put your name when it is talking to a person. Ask me more questions! Thanks to listen to me, and I appreciate the way you are talking to me.

When you are going to read your Bible, put yourself in that time of the scene of the story that you are reading.
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but it doesn't work that way
according to Paul
(Hint he lived at that time and wrote most of the NT)

Scripture was written for One (1) Generation in mind

That Generation to come
the Generation upon whom the end of the world comes upon
That generation that will declare all the glories of the Father
and the Pioneers of the SDA were not those folks

only the "Scholars" that are trying to One - Up each other
and puff themselves up use that excuse
"put yourself in that time of the scene"
only those that are all "Puffed - Up" in their own fleshly minds
use that as an excuse
ya see if they can convince you that they, and only they can understand and explain
ya see they like the 12 Christ called
all had all the decrees of Divinity
how many letters did Peter have after his name form all the
"Schools of the Greeks"
or trained , taught by the Priest of Babylon

 

[CrowCross]

Ask any questions about the SDA CHURCH I will answered all your questions BIBLICAL. But if I ask you questions, I want also to get my answer from the Bible.

If you worship on Sunday...are you saved?

 

[Pipiripi]

If you worship on Sunday...are you saved?

Till now it is okay, you can worship God on any days. But the Saturday Sabbath is a day created to give all to God by doing not your daily things and work for yourself.

There will come a day that they obligate us to worship only on Sunday, Saturday everybody must go work or do the normal things.
Read Revelation 14:6-13. Look at verse 12 good.

 

[CrowCross]

Till now it is okay, you can worship God on any days.

Glad to hear that. But, I don't quite understand the "till now" part.

But the Saturday Sabbath is a day created to give all to God by doing not your daily things and work for yourself.

Still confused....I for some reason I don't...am I saved?

There will come a day that they obligate us to worship only on Sunday, Saturday everybody must go work or do the normal things.
Read Revelation 14:6-13. Look at verse 12 good.

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And if you don't keep all the commandments...are you still saved?

I was wondering, do you know why the Church worships on Sunday?

Is the Lords day considered as the sabbath?

 

[Seeker]

Great questions, CrowCross!

 

[Pipiripi]

Glad to hear that. But, I don't quite understand the "till now" part.

I don't know if we can go private, because all your questions I have it with me, but I cannot sent it openly here for you. See if we can go private okay!!


Still confused....I for some reason I don't...am I saved?

Aslong you don't know and you are searching for the true, you are safe. But when you know the truth and ignore it like many do, you are in problem.

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And if you don't keep all the commandments...are you still saved? It is exactly how it is written in Revelation 14:12. Read Revelation 14:6-13.

I was wondering, do you know why the Church worships on Sunday?
The worshipping on Sunday is not the same as the Saturday.

Is the Lords day considered as the sabbath?

Yes, the Sabbath is the Lord day exactly how it is written in the 10 Commandments.

 

[Victor]

If you worship on Sunday...are you saved?

I don't think you got an answer consistent with what the SDA pioneer Ellen White wrote. She focused on a test that began in 1844.

Testimonies for the Church
Volume Two, page 693, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: No Probation After Christ Comes

As we have followed down the chain of prophecy, revealed truth for our time has been clearly seen and explained. We are accountable for the privileges that we enjoy and for the light that shines upon our pathway. Those who lived in past generations were accountable for the light which was permitted to shine upon them. Their minds were exercised in regard to different points of Scripture which tested them. But they did not understand the truths which we do. They were not responsible for the light which they did not have. They had the Bible, as we have; but the time for the unfolding of special truth in relation to the closing scenes of this earth's history is during the last generations that shall live upon the earth. Special truths have been adapted to the conditions of the generations as they have existed. The present truth, which is a test to the people of this generation, was not a test to the people of generations far back. If the light which now shines upon us in regard to the Sabbath of the fourth commandment had been given to the generations in the past, God would have held them accountable for that light. When the temple of God was opened in heaven, John saw in holy vision a class of people whose attention was arrested and who were looking with reverential awe at the ark, which contained the law of God. The special test upon the fourth commandment did not come until after the temple of God was opened in heaven. Those who died before the light was given upon the law of God and the claims of the fourth commandment were not guilty of the sin of violating the seventh-day Sabbath. The wisdom and mercy of God in dispensing light and knowledge at the proper time, as the people need it, is unsearchable. Previous to His coming to judge the world in righteousness, He sends forth a warning to arouse the people and call their attention to their neglect of the fourth commandment, that they may be enlightened, and may repent of their transgression of His law, and prove their allegiance to the great Lawgiver. He has made provision that all may be holy and happy if they choose. Sufficient light has been given to this generation, that we may learn what our duties and privileges are, and enjoy the precious and solemn truths in their simplicity and power.

And of course Ellen is also known for these quotes:

• It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}
• But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
• No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}
• All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

All of these are written in the present tense, with no regard for an alleged Sunday law happening later. 1844 was Ellen's pivot for the need to abide by the Sabbath codified in the Mosaic covenant. I think CrowCross is asking the right questions, but not getting straight answers from the Adventist members.

 

[Victor]

I was wondering, do you know why the Church worships on Sunday?

One would find a reasonable answer in the Augsburg Confession, written in 1530.

For those who judge that by the authority of the Church the observance of the Lord’s Day instead of the Sabbath-day was ordained as a thing necessary, do greatly err. Scripture has abrogated the Sabbath-day; for it teaches that, since the Gospel has been revealed, all the ceremonies of Moses can be omitted. And yet, because it was necessary to appoint a certain day, that the people might know when they ought to come together, it appears that the Church designated the Lord’s Day for this purpose; and this day seems to have been chosen all the more for this additional reason, that men might have an example of Christian liberty, and might know that the keeping neither of the Sabbath nor of any other day is necessary.​

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There are monstrous disputations concerning the changing of the law, the ceremonies of the new law, the changing of the Sabbath-day, which all have sprung from the false belief that there must needs be in the Church a service like to the Levitical, and that Christ had given commission to the Apostles and bishops to devise new ceremonies as necessary to salvation. These errors crept into the Church when the righteousness of faith was not taught clearly enough.​

It boils down to a tradition of convenience, set apart from the Law the children of Israel were bound to.

 

[JonHawk]

Buzzard:
Scripture was written for One (1) Generation in mind

That Generation to come

yes

So when Peter said, “Be saved from this perverse generation” what did he have in mind?

And He said: ‘I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, Children in whom is no faith.
Deuteronomy 32:20

 

[Pipiripi]

I don't think you got an answer consistent with what the SDA pioneer Ellen White wrote. She focused on a test that began in 1844.

And of course Ellen is also known for these quotes:

• It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}
• But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
• No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}
• All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

All of these are written in the present tense, with no regard for an alleged Sunday law happening later. 1844 was Ellen's pivot for the need to abide by the Sabbath codified in the Mosaic covenant. I think CrowCross is asking the right questions, but not getting straight answers from the Adventist members.

Many of the Adventist members are in error, that's why they cannot answered all your questions. I didn't read your questions yet. Or ask me your question. Aslong my brethren and sisters keep believing in the Trinity doctrine, they are far from home. But many are still innocent because we FEW are holding on our pioneers teaching and the Bible as our standard guidelines.

 

[Pipiripi]

When you are going to read your Bible, put yourself in that time of the scene of the story that you are reading.
___________________________________________________________________

but it doesn't work that way
according to Paul
(Hint he lived at that time and wrote most of the NT)

Scripture was written for One (1) Generation in mind

That Generation to come
the Generation upon whom the end of the world comes upon
That generation that will declare all the glories of the Father
and the Pioneers of the SDA were not those folks

only the "Scholars" that are trying to One - Up each other
and puff themselves up use that excuse
"put yourself in that time of the scene"
only those that are all "Puffed - Up" in their own fleshly minds
use that as an excuse
ya see if they can convince you that they, and only they can understand and explain
ya see they like the 12 Christ called
all had all the decrees of Divinity
how many letters did Peter have after his name form all the
"Schools of the Greeks"
or trained , taught by the Priest of Babylon

Scriptures are wrote for all generations!! Read Exodus 20:1-6

 

[Pipiripi]

yes

This generation is this person. Revelation 14:6-12. Are you one of them from verse 12? Read verse 13 to.

 

[JonHawk]

Buzzard:
Scripture was written for One (1) Generation in mind

That Generation to come

e v e said:
yes

So when Peter said, “Be saved from this perverse generation” what did he have in mind?

And He said: ‘I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, Children in whom is no faith.
Deuteronomy 32:20

Many of the Adventist members are in error, that's why they cannot answered all your questions.... But many are still innocent because we FEW are holding on our pioneers teaching and the Bible as our standard guidelines.

You might as well get used to disappointment.

"I have only shown to the world my opinion on those passages: I have shown my faith by my works." William Miller p. 690​

"At length William Miller raised his voice against the light from heaven. He leaned to human wisdom instead of divine;​

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William Miller erred. . .in suffering his influence to go against the truth. Early Writings, Ellen G White​

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"Now if there is one characteristic above another that marks out a false prophet, it is the unscriptural practice of setting a definite time for the return of our Lord." Present Truth, Feb. 4, 1915​

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“I have no specific time of which to speak when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit will take place . . .O, how much time has been wasted through giving attention to trifling things.” (1SM 192, from RH, March 29, 1892)​

 

[Pipiripi]

Buzzard:
Scripture was written for One (1) Generation in mind

That Generation to come


So when Peter said, “Be saved from this perverse generation” what did he have in mind?

And He said: ‘I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, Children in whom is no faith.
Deuteronomy 32:20

You might as well get used to disappointment.

"I have only shown to the world my opinion on those passages: I have shown my faith by my works." William Miller p. 690​

"At length William Miller raised his voice against the light from heaven. He leaned to human wisdom instead of divine;​

​

William Miller erred. . .in suffering his influence to go against the truth. Early Writings, Ellen G White​

​

"Now if there is one characteristic above another that marks out a false prophet, it is the unscriptural practice of setting a definite time for the return of our Lord." Present Truth, Feb. 4, 1915​

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“I have no specific time of which to speak when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit will take place . . .O, how much time has been wasted through giving attention to trifling things.” (1SM 192, from RH, March 29, 1892)​

It is the same as the time of the apostles, many has entered in their church and tried to teach something that is not what the apostles teach.

In the time of the pioneers also was members that comes with wrong arguments.

After all died, LeRoy Froom brought the Trinity doctrine in the church. That is the fall away!! Today we FEW in the SDA church is trying to waking up our members. But God has sent us to the whole world to know the truth. Everyone of His come to Him.
Tried to find something in my thread that isn't in according with the Bible!!

 

[Victor]

Many of the Adventist members are in error, that's why they cannot answered all your questions. I didn't read your questions yet. Or ask me your question. Aslong my brethren and sisters keep believing in the Trinity doctrine, they are far from home. But many are still innocent because we FEW are holding on our pioneers teaching and the Bible as our standard guidelines.

Since you're the one who gave an erroneous answer to CrowCross, I can only surmise that you admit being in error...
or...
You don't consider Ellen White to be an Adventist pioneer.

In any event, you misrepresented Adventist doctrine. Adding the anti-trinity argument is a red herring that bolsters the arguments that Pythons has made on this forum, which is perhaps why he hasn't added any comments lately. You're digging your own pit.

 

[CrowCross]

Great questions, CrowCross!

Thanks...If you noticed I really didn't get answers.