Victor
Active member
Ellen White made the whole list up. Don't look for others to defend your false prophet.
Why is everybody picking on SDAs?
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SDAchristian
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AV Col 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
So your opinion in accusation, is not worth defending in apologetic discussion. I recommend that you stop accusing then.
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
AV Jn 5:45-47 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Consider it practice questions, when Jesus asks you.
Yours in Christ, Michael
Victor
Active member
Congratulations!
You just reduced Ellen White to "your opinion in accusation"!
She is indefensible, as you've seen for yourself.
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
Using the Bible as a means for name-calling others isn't original. It's deplorable. Shame on you.
Pipiripi
Active member
Is time for you and all of you that are plucking quotes of Ellen G White enemies that she didn't haven't say.
Exactly how LeRoy Froom as search in here writings and says tha Ellen White was a trinitarian, because she says: "Trio".
Today you and all the SDA movement are believing in this Jesuit trinity false doctrine, entering in the churches, just like you do on Christians forums.
YOUR DENOMINATION!!
It isn't a shame, the truth must be revealed. As Victor is your master follow Victor. But we follow only Jesus Christ and the apostles. Jesus is our master not any man.
Victor
Active member
The quotes that have been provided for your defense have been from the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy, written by Ellen White. Is it now your contention that Ellen G. White is the enemy of Ellen G. White?
The seventh-day Adventist church shares the same origin through Millerism that the Jehovah's Witness cult does. Of course they shared the same Arian heresy the JW's embrace.
However...
You have been instructed to take this heresy to the Trinity forum.
This has been answered several times. You aren't reading our posts. This forum is where we discuss Adventism. What part of this don't you understand?
This doesn't explain the reason you grovel at the grave of a dead false prophetess.
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
You are insulting people. I have considered reporting you for it.
Actually Galatians 1:1-10 is not the same as Revelation 22:18-19. You could argue that it's the same idea, but that is the extent of it. There was a reason I asked you about it. Of course SDA's have added to the prophecy of the book, yes, SDA is a different gospel and as such, cursed.
Instead of spending your time on material that is not found in the Bible., you should learn how to use scripture properly. Most of the Christians I know use the historical/grammatical hermeneutic. You should too.
Historical-grammatical method - Wikipedia
Yes, I'm a trinitarian because that is what scripture teaches. Yes, the word 'trinity' is not found in the Bible, but the concept absolutely is.
Should we baptize "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" or "in the name of Jesus?"
The proper form of baptism is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Jesus designated in Matthew 28:19. It is the Trinitarian formula
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How many times does the Bible use the phrase in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
No, I don't believe in any secret things. The Bible is sufficient.
You know NOTHING about me other than what I post
There is no one who ever expressed their hatred for Ellen or anyone else
FOR THE THIRD TIME:
What would your position on Ellen be if we found things she wrote that are medically impossible?
Pipiripi
Active member
Show me in the Bible written:"God Holy Spirit, 3 gods in 1, triune god.You are insulting people. I have considered reporting you for it.
Actually Galatians 1:1-10 is not the same as Revelation 22:18-19. You could argue that it's the same idea, but that is the extent of it. There was a reason I asked you about it. Of course SDA's have added to the prophecy of the book, yes, SDA is a different gospel and as such, cursed.
Instead of spending your time on material that is not found in the Bible., you should learn how to use scripture properly. Most of the Christians I know use the historical/grammatical hermeneutic. You should too.
Historical-grammatical method - Wikipedia
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Yes, I'm a trinitarian because that is what scripture teaches. Yes, the word 'trinity' is not found in the Bible, but the concept absolutely is.
Should we baptize "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" or "in the name of Jesus?"
The proper form of baptism is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Jesus designated in Matthew 28:19. It is the Trinitarian formula
How many times does the Bible use the phrase in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
No, I don't believe in any secret things. The Bible is sufficient.
Also show me in the Bible, where I can read that your god Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus, or God the Father or both?
Show me from the Bible where the apostles start their writings in three beings, and also ending their writings in three gods being? Also where I can read the apostles give their worship sayings god holy spirit?
I know that my teacher is Jesus and the apostles. If you find in the Bible all my questions, I have prove that my teachings are wrong!!
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
What we have here is a misrepresentation of what I have said. CARM doesn't allow this. If you want to challenge something I have said, you are required to post a link where you can prove that I said what you accuse me of. You can't do that, can you?
Insults, misrepresentations of others, etc., are all pointing to you not being at CARM very long. The rules will simply not allow it.
https://carm.org/uncategorized/carm-discussion-rules/
Don't say that you weren't aware of the rules.
Pipiripi
Active member
I'm aware of the rules of Heaven. The 10 Commandments and I have the faith OF Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12.
I don't have time for man teachings. I have a work to finished here!! I have 10 forums more that are receiving the ttruth.So answer my questions!!
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
The Bible doesn't have anything to say about FA-18 Navy fighter jets, but they exist and have a common name.
It's apparent to me, that you're unfamiliar with logic. I know this because you constantly engage in straw man's, non-sequiturs, and appeals to authority. All logical fallacies.
You don't know your Bible at all. Read John Chapter 17. Who was Jesus talking to? Move on to John 6 and read the words of Jesus when he speaks about God the Father. Watch the Trinity video I posted. It shows the proof in the verses.
You are, quite frankly, out of gas.
BTW, no one here has said that they hated EGW. I hate the nonsense she believed, but that's very different from hating her personhood. If you keep misrepresenting us, you're losing any credibility you might have had.
Your religious organization is just as bad as the other cults. Mormonism, JW's, etc. Free yourself from this.
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
No, you don't have the faith of Jesus. You belong to a cult and when you post this kind of verbal assault on others, it shows in spades.
egw isn't the author of these verses.
John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV)
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Romans 8:28-30English Standard Version (ESV)
28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Ephesians 2:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Colossians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Titus 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
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Pipiripi
Active member
My Bible is NOT working with logic. It works with god says SO. Thus: "YES AND AMEN.
Read this, Paul write it just for you my friend. Galatians 1:1-10. Just logician!!
An online Video ??????
What was that Paul said about Vain Babblings from men that desire to be Teachers of the Word
but know notta about what they proclaim
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
..
11 He came unto his own,
his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God.
John Ch.3
Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Victor
Active member
For the 2nd time:
Why don't you quote the passages you cite?
Because they condemn you.
Galatians 1
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
You came here with another "gospel" that is anything but biblical. It comes with a curse you're afraid to acknowledge.
Galatians continues with the Gospel message.
Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Those remaining under the bondwoman covenant from Mount Sinai -the Ten Commandments- have no inheritance with Jesus Christ, Who is the Mediator of the new covenant (see Hebrews 9:15). We are children of promise, like Isaac, who didn't have the Ten Commandments. So when you wrote this post...
...you lay claim to bondage under the covenant from Mount Sinai, the Ten Commandments (see Deuteronomy 4:13). You're in a cult that has no inheritance with Jesus Christ. That's 'another gospel' that leaves you accursed. You rejected the faith in Jesus Christ.
No wonder you don't quote your citations. You're completely ignorant of the Bible. No wonder you don't respond to content posted to you - your cultic religion reeks of incompetence.
Also, you never responded to my question:
Why does Ellen White demand that you violate the commandments of God? Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 don't apply to you.
The quote I provided from Matthew 24:26 was also ignored by you.
We will not give you our denominations because it will give you ammunition to slime them on this forum.
But to make the current issue between us more pointed, If one of your Pioneers made the statement that masturbation causes mental illness or blindness, how would you react?
Medically speaking, there is no association between "self pleasuring" and blindness or mental illness. So, what say you?
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
Forums are places where people debate about ideas, concepts, etc.
In case you haven't looked around, no one is buying what you are selling and every time you use a logical fallacy, your credibility takes another hit. In essence you are demonstrating that you have no case.
It seems that my friend Victor, has nailed it. You are completely ignorant of the Bible. Nothing good can come from that.
There is nothing to be gained here. You aren't teachable and can't handle correction. I can only pray for you.
Beloved Daughter
Super Member
Okay, JT, now you've done it... gone and told the truth. LOL! Hilarious🥰
Pardon my guffaws, but You have not produced an iota of truth, unless you consider that the rants you make to us who oppose the teachings of Ellen demonstrate, Neither you nor Ellen's writings have any support from Scripture. Dead people cannot be insulted, so why do you seek to retaliate? That is sinful, and doing evil.
That is off topic and irrelevant to the OP. Please address your derails on their proper forums Trinity
That is off topic and irrelevant to the OP. Please address your derails on their proper forums: eschatology