Why is everybody picking on SDAs?

[Victor]

I see it all the time from Adventists.

Your post appears after my comment that the Sabbath doesn't exist outside the Mosaic covenant.
Is this something you wish to contend? It is a well known fact, after all.

Or, are you going to bloviate some more with passages that don't help you at all? And, why didn't you finish the sentence Jesus where He stated the Sabbath was made for man?

Prologue:
AV Ex 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So spiritual synonyms are an issue in believing GOD's Words then ???

AV Jn 5:45-47 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Was Jesus "outside the Mosaic covenant" ???

So believing Jesus' words, from "the Mosaic covenant" is an issue for you ???

Answer the questions.
Do you wish to contend the Sabbath exists outside the Mosaic covenant?
Why didn't you finish the sentence Jesus spoke? It is loaded with meaning you discarded.

 

[John t]

Why didn't you finish the sentence Jesus spoke? It is loaded with meaning you discarded.

Context is disregarded by 99.9% of cultists. Millerism is a cult, therefore, the conclusion that the poster and his pals are part of a cult is patently obvious.

 

[John t]

Each of your posts demonstrates that you are completely ignorant of the Bible.

To paraphrase Bob Dylan,, "You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows" in this ruse.

You do his homework, and quote it accurately from any version, but it gets labeled as "wrong", or the poster picks am irrelevant clause in those verses, and tries to build a house from those irrelevant toothpicks of his.

 

[SDAchristian]

Do you wish to contend the Sabbath exists outside the Mosaic covenant?

AV Gn 4:5-8 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Yes. Just like 'murder', and a few other choice sins.

AV Jn 8:44-46 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Also a false witness("for he is a liar, and the father of it"). When did GOD start to hate these ???

Check Question: Did "the devil" "exists outside the Mosaic covenant" ???

And, why didn't you finish the sentence Jesus where He stated the Sabbath was made for man?

Why didn't you finish the sentence Jesus spoke? It is loaded with meaning you discarded.

Because you seemed to have discarded the "and" in meaning and context.

AV Mk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made{G1223 dia} for{G1223 dia} man{G444 anthropos}, and not man for{G1223 dia} the sabbath:

So you want to discuss the context of "made{G1223 dia} for{G1223 dia}" now ???

So what does "and not man" made(implied from translation context) "for{G1223 dia} the sabbath" mean to you ???

Are you a "man{G444 anthropos}" in Jesus' Omniscient understanding ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Victor]

Yes.

Why?
Also, instead of bloviating all over the page, find it.
Even the multitude of citations Ellen White made to the "fourth commandment" acknowledges a dependence on the Mosaic covenant.
You're on your own.

Because you seemed to have discarded the "and" in meaning and context.

AV Mk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made{G1223 dia} for{G1223 dia} man{G444 anthropos}, and not man for{G1223 dia} the sabbath:

So you want to discuss the context of "made{G1223 dia} for{G1223 dia}" now ???

So what does "and not man" made(implied from translation context) "for{G1223 dia} the sabbath" mean to you ???

Are you a "man{G444 anthropos}" in Jesus' Omniscient understanding ???

And yet it appears that John's observation that cultists hate to look at the context is accurate.
Jesus packed a lot of meaning into his statement, which cultists hate to acknowledge.

 

[SDAchristian]

Why?

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

1. The possessive of "my holy day" and GOD does NOT change. Many infer an error on GOD's part, I will not.

AV Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
AV Hb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

2. The Original Covenant is in Heaven, which Moses copied. No ONE can change that spiritual contract.

Also, instead of bloviating all over the page, find it.
Even the multitude of citations Ellen White made to the "fourth commandment" acknowledges a dependence on the Mosaic covenant.

You are entitled to state that as your opinion.

AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

You seem to be the kind of person, that needs to see the murder of "saints and prophets", before conviction sets in.

AV Mt 25:6-8 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

The time is coming that many will want this "oil", but it will be too late to acquire some from the Holy Spirit. Think sin pattern against the Holy Spirit.

And yet it appears that John's observation that cultists hate to look at the context is accurate.
Jesus packed a lot of meaning into his statement, which cultists hate to acknowledge.

AV Ps 83:4-5 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

So @John t and yourself have a confederation going ??? I guess, we will wait for Jesus' authority to straighten out the misunderstanding then, like many did to Jesus during the first advent.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Victor]

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

1. The possessive of "my holy day" and GOD does NOT change. Many infer an error on GOD's part, I will not.

AV Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
AV Hb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

2. The Original Covenant is in Heaven, which Moses copied. No ONE can change that spiritual contract.

You are entitled to state that as your opinion.

AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

You seem to be the kind of person, that needs to see the murder of "saints and prophets", before conviction sets in.

AV Mt 25:6-8 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

The time is coming that many will want this "oil", but it will be too late to acquire some from the Holy Spirit. Think sin pattern against the Holy Spirit.

AV Ps 83:4-5 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

So @John t and yourself have a confederation going ??? I guess, we will wait for Jesus' authority to straighten out the misunderstanding then, like many did to Jesus during the first advent.

It seems to me that you started this morning with a post that suggested limited time available to spend here, since you have other obligations.
But...
I have never seen anyone waste so much time bloviating instead of responding to content.

Had you bothered to finish the sentence that Jesus spoke, you would know that the "original covenant is in heaven" is a false statement. It simply doesn't have jurisdiction there. This is another one of Ellen's famous fables. But I do think that John is onto something when he points out that cult members hate context and so won't quote it. You wasted an entire post and whatever amount of time it took to compose it to provide absolutely no support for your contention of a Sabbath existing outside the covenant mediated through Moses.

It is true...

The one who will not read
has no advantage over
the one who cannot read.
Both are illiterate.

 

[Seeker]

She died in 1915. Since she was codified as a continuing authority in SDA Fundamental Belief #18, Adventist doctrines can't be changed.
Not until they dump Ellen. I've posted several quotes showing the frustration this causes within Adventist academic groups.

You are 100% correct! In fact, I was in the SDA for about 20 years but couldn’t take it anymore. I left in 2006 due to the fact EGW ruled the church from her grave.

 

[Victor]

Victor, can a trinitarian receive the seal of God?
Remember that the seal of God has to do with the 4th command.

Citing the "4th command" is an appeal to the Mosaic covenant (the Ten Commandments) and shows a devotion towards Judaism and its soteriology based on works (see Deuteronomy 6:25). Making a claim that an ordinance of the old covenant is the seal of God is an Adventist fable that you can't support from the Bible.

No Christian is going to accept this fairy tale from your "pioneers". Just as they invented unbiblical fantasies to justify a non-event in 1844, they invented a seal based on your performance (not appealing to God for salvation) that is foreign to Scripture. The SDA pioneers were biblical illiterates.

Ephesians 4

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.​

God the Holy Spirit is our seal, and the guarantee of our adoption into the household of God. Note the "by whom" and not the impersonal force you promote.

2 Corinthians 5:4-5

For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.​

Romans 8

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.​

In each post you damage what credibility you hope to have; in this latest post you deny the seal of God. You remain completely ignorant of the Bible and show no desire to learn from it. Remember what I posted many times in the past: Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist outside the minds of the delusional.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Yes, the Sabbath is the Lord day exactly how it is written in the 10 Commandments.

You miss the point of the new testament The Lord's day is everyday if you are filled with the Holy Spirit.
"The Veil was rent" The Holy Spirit now no longer appears in only a certain place.

 

[Victor]

You are 100% correct! In fact, I was in the SDA for about 20 years but couldn’t take it anymore. I left in 2006 due to the fact EGW ruled the church from her grave.

The experiences I've heard from former Adventists personally is that the Investigative Judgment is the #1 reason they fled the church. Others have drawn on the similarity it has with the RCC purgatory nonsense. When I first heard about the nonsense associated with a non-event in 1844 later on, I blew a gasket and alarm bells started banging loudly. Curious to hear your take on this.

I was spared the Adventist experience myself when God audibly told me to leave a Revelation Seminar when I was new in the faith.

 

[Pipiripi]

Citing the "4th command" is an appeal to the Mosaic covenant (the Ten Commandments) and shows a devotion towards Judaism and its soteriology based on works (see Deuteronomy 6:25). Making a claim that an ordinance of the old covenant is the seal of God is an Adventist fable that you can't support from the Bible.

No Christian is going to accept this fairy tale from your "pioneers". Just as they invented unbiblical fantasies to justify a non-event in 1844, they invented a seal based on your performance (not appealing to God for salvation) that is foreign to Scripture. The SDA pioneers were biblical illiterates.

Ephesians 4

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.​

God the Holy Spirit is our seal, and the guarantee of our adoption into the household of God. Note the "by whom" and not the impersonal force you promote.

2 Corinthians 5:4-5

For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.​

Romans 8

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.​

In each post you damage what credibility you hope to have; in this latest post you deny the seal of God. You remain completely ignorant of the Bible and show no desire to learn from it. Remember what I posted many times in the past: Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist outside the minds of the delusional.

What about Romans 8:7? Plucking verses here and there, and making your own stories is not what the Bible teaches. Romans 8:7 is for you. Because you cannot and you are God's enemy.

Ephesians 4:25-30. Verses 25-27,31,32 is the last 6 commandments.
Verse 30 is talking about the Holy Spirit OF God. And this Holy Spirit is not your god holy spirit. Because your god holy spirit is A god.

Jeremiah 56:1-8. My friend does this chapter and verses is written for the Jewish ✡ nation of Israel?
God is talking about His temple where He lives. Are your name is written on the pillar of God's temple?
Are you still believing in what your teachers, that have twist the truth of what is written in the Bible, by using "old covenant"?
Let me help you a little more.
Read Jeremiah 31:31-34. This is written for the future.
This means that the laws that was written on a stone let the people obey it without love. Just like you do. But the new one is the same 10 commandments written in your heart of flesh. Now you can love the laws of God because it is Jesus Himself has changed your heart from stone, to the new one of flesh.
Go read Psalm 119 and you will known when David has changed by LOVING and KEEPING the law of God.
Romans 8:1-7 is the same what Paul is teaching there. But you trinitarians are blind and cannot hear. That's why verse 4 is written for me and verse 7 is written for you and all other trinitarians in this world .
The day if you let Jesus and the writers in the Bible is your only guidelines, then you can be a good teacher.
I think this is enough for you to see your wrong beliefs. But first pray to God to open your eyes and mind!

 

[Victor]

What about Romans 8:7? Plucking verses here and there, and making your own stories is not what the Bible teaches. Romans 8:7 is for you. Because you cannot and you are God's enemy.

Ephesians 4:25-30. Verses 25-27,31,32 is the last 6 commandments.
Verse 30 is talking about the Holy Spirit OF God. And this Holy Spirit is not your god holy spirit. Because your god holy spirit is A god.

It appears that you abandoned the SDA seal-of-God argument, having seen that it is unbiblical.

But then you insert red herrings to avoid what was posted. Let us focus on one item.

Read Jeremiah 31:31-34. This is written for the future.
But the new one is the same 10 commandments written in your heart of flesh. Now you can love the laws of God because it is Jesus Himself has changed your heart from stone, to the new one of flesh.

This is obviously wrong, since verse 32 mentions that the covenant is broken. Hebrews 8 picks up on this same theme and mentions that this broken nature is the reason for a new covenant (verse 7) and the passage concludes in verse 13:
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Suggesting that the old covenant, rendered obsolete, is inserted into your heart is like a claim that pushing a broken chair across the room makes it new and somehow repairs it because it's in a different place.

You have a Bible, but you're ignorant of its contents.

The narrative continues and in Hebrews 10:9 we see that Jesus took away the first covenant because it is incompatible with the second (new) covenant. It has vanished. Along with all the ordinances that demanded burnt offerings. Vanish away, they did. Wave bye-bye to the Sabbath, which was taken away by God. This was a fait accompli long before the Roman Catholic church existed.

That's another nail in the SDA seal-of-God coffin.

But you trinitarians are blind and cannot hear.

The trinity doctrine is a fact that you don't want to accept. And you fail to acknowledge that the SDA church has corrected their former errors and would boot you out on the street if they caught you rejecting God the way you do on this forum.

John 14
These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Note the personal pronouns for the third Person. As for the blindness you mention, it isn't hard to see that you can't support your comments with anything in the Bible. Isn't that why you abandon previous ideas and repeat the same off-topic nonsense like a broken record?
Yup.
To this day you still haven't responded to why the Sanctuary Doctrine demands that you break the commandments of God.

Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[Pipiripi]

It appears that you abandoned the SDA seal-of-God argument, having seen that it is unbiblical.

But then you insert red herrings to avoid what was posted. Let us focus on one item.

This is obviously wrong, since verse 32 mentions that the covenant is broken. Hebrews 8 picks up on this same theme and mentions that this broken nature is the reason for a new covenant (verse 7) and the passage concludes in verse 13:
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Suggesting that the old covenant, rendered obsolete, is inserted into your heart is like a claim that pushing a broken chair across the room makes it new and somehow repairs it because it's in a different place.

You have a Bible, but you're ignorant of its contents.

The narrative continues and in Hebrews 10:9 we see that Jesus took away the first covenant because it is incompatible with the second (new) covenant. It has vanished. Along with all the ordinances that demanded burnt offerings. Vanish away, they did. Wave bye-bye to the Sabbath, which was taken away by God. This was a fait accompli long before the Roman Catholic church existed.

That's another nail in the SDA seal-of-God coffin.

The trinity doctrine is a fact that you don't want to accept. And you fail to acknowledge that the SDA church has corrected their former errors and would boot you out on the street if they caught you rejecting God the way you do on this forum.

John 14
These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Note the personal pronouns for the third Person. As for the blindness you mention, it isn't hard to see that you can't support your comments with anything in the Bible. Isn't that why you abandon previous ideas and repeat the same off-topic nonsense like a broken record?
Yup.
To this day you still haven't responded to why the Sanctuary Doctrine demands that you break the commandments of God.

Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Just like you said. But you don't have the Spirit of Jesus Christ. You have an unknown god holy spirit in your body. A god holy spirit that have never spoken with God or Jesus or both!!

 

[Victor]

Yes... ?
Did you wish to explain why you break the commandments of God?
The forum shows that you quoted me, but didn't write a response.

 

[Pipiripi]

Yes... ?
Did you wish to explain why you break the commandments of God?
The forum shows that you quoted me, but didn't write a response.

I told you already go on my thread and ask me questions, so that I don't have to answered the truth where its not supposed to be!!

 

[Victor]

I told you already go on my thread and ask me questions, so that I don't have to answered the truth where its not supposed to be!!

Here I am.
To this day you still haven't responded to why the Sanctuary Doctrine demands that you break the commandments of God. I laid it out for you in previous posts, so there isn't any confusion about it and no one has been able to defend it from Scripture since it was invented by the SDA "pioneers". The commandment of God regarding it in Matthew 24:26 is clear.

 

[Pipiripi]

Here I am.
To this day you still haven't responded to why the Sanctuary Doctrine demands that you break the commandments of God. I laid it out for you in previous posts, so there isn't any confusion about it and no one has been able to defend it from Scripture since it was invented by the SDA "pioneers". The commandment of God regarding it in Matthew 24:26 is clear.

I didn't finished the Sanctuary message yet. Tomorrow I will write part 2 for you. The sanctuary message are not breaking any rules. Only people with an open mind can understand the Scriptures!!

 

[Victor]

I didn't finished the Sanctuary message yet. Tomorrow I will write part 2 for you. The sanctuary message are not breaking any rules. Only people with an open mind can understand the Scriptures!!

As I mentioned, Scripture is very clear.
Ellen White was quoted, advocating breaking the commandment that I cited.
This isn't a topic you can deflect blame on, or disparage the messenger performing God's will (like Ellen did).

 

[Pipiripi]

As I mentioned, Scripture is very clear.
Ellen White was quoted, advocating breaking the commandment that I cited.
This isn't a topic you can deflect blame on, or disparage the messenger performing God's will (like Ellen did).

How can Ellen White goes against God laws, and she self was keeping the 10 commandments!! Her visions was with Satan and write everything that Satan show her against Satan himself!!!! That is what you are saying!! All her writings and quotes was given to her by Satan. Satan was dividing himself by playing God, and show Ellen White in Heaven and talk to her in heaven. That is Victor understanding about prophecies in the end times!!