Why is everybody picking on SDAs?

[CharismaticLady]

day to year can be correct. read carefully, in context.

But not when other specifics are given. Daniel 8 for days is "mornings and evenings." That is not a prophetic year, but 6.3 years, the exact time of the Maccabean revolt from 67 BC to 60 BC, and Antiochus Epiphanes IV, the Greek emperor, defiled the Jewish temple by slaughtering a pig, an unclean animal, on the altar.

1260 days is also referred to as 42 months and a time, times and half a time, so is not broken down into prophetic years.

Daniel 9's 70 weeks is not given in any other form, so is 490 years. day/year

Hosea 6:1-3 is two days and one day. The day is constant, but instead of day/1 year, it is day/1000 years. 2000 years plus 1000 year Millennium.

 

[CharismaticLady]

K, but did they ever tell you what the Ten Commandments was?
Probably not, the reason you refer to the Ten Commandments as "them" rather than "it".
It is a proper noun in the singular, as Moses called the covenant from Mount Sinai (Deuteronomy 4:13). The contents are referred to in the plural in many places (even by Moses), but its role as a covenant is a single unit that faced a single disposition by God - as Hebrews 10:9 states in part, "He takes away the first that He may establish the second".

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You mean the 2300 ereb-boqer of Daniel 8:14, or 1150 literal days?
Yep.
Still dedicated to a mistranslation in the KJV. 😱

No, it is not 1150 days; the morning and evenings is the same time span as the evening and morning was one day/24 hours in Creation Week. Therefore, it is 2,300 actual days amounting to 6.3 years, when Antiochus Epiphanes IV defiled the Jewish temple before he died in 64 BC. Middle of the week. The revolt was from 67 BC to 60 BC. Read #66 above

Also the next Jewish revolt was from 66 AD to 73 AD, again with the middle of the week 70 AD defiling the temple. Daniel 9.

Those two 7 year periods with 2 halves are paradigms. The next 7 year period will be the last one for Israel, the Great Tribulation. Rev. 12 and 13

 

[CharismaticLady]

eden has a binary system, not solar
and the ot is often and mostly referring to eden realm and the enemy realm, in the other world.

events on this current world are types of the real world, which this one is not.

the 365 day time space belongs to the fallen cosmology, not God’s.

scripture considers this world a corruption which is why it is to be destroyed.

what i am saying you now, is as the prophets told old ishral. they didn’t listen and clinging to this world, got cursed. God stopped speaking to them.

the same situation of modern christianity.

Christ asks us to deny this body for it is sin.

cosmology itself got affected by adam and what he did betraying God.

so no to reading scripture as centered on the fallen version of reality as if it was His.
day and night don’t mean on this current astray earth.

We are wearing sin nature: this flesh.

this body is the idol.

understand ….

These years in the Old Testament are based on 360 days, not 365.

 

[Victor]

No, it is not 1150 days; the morning and evenings is the same time span as the evening and morning was one day/24 hours in Creation Week. Therefore, it is 2,300 actual days amounting to 6.3 years, when Antiochus Epiphanes IV defiled the Jewish temple before he died in 64 BC. Middle of the week. The revolt was from 67 BC to 60 BC. Read #66 above

The context in Daniel 8 revolves around the continual oblations, which are performed in the evening and again in the morning. It is by the continual that the time period is given, and not in days. This is the passage from a Jewish translation:

Daniel 8 OJB

13 Then I heard one kadosh (angel) speaking, and another kadosh said unto that certain kadosh which spoke, How long shall be the chazon concerning the daily sacrifice, and the desolating peysha (transgression), to give both the Kodesh (Sanctuary) and the tzva (host) to be trodden under foot?​

14 And he said unto me, Unto erev-boker two thousand and three hundred; then shall the Kodesh (Sanctuary) be vindicated.​

It takes 1150 days to accomplish 2300 oblations, and that is the measurement of the time period.

Antiochus Epiphanes had desecrated the temple in the period 168 to 165 BC. This passage is well accepted as the story of Hanukkah.

Also the next Jewish revolt was from 66 AD to 73 AD, again with the middle of the week 70 AD defiling the temple. Daniel 9.

Those two 7 year periods with 2 halves are paradigms. The next 7 year period will be the last one for Israel, the Great Tribulation. Rev. 12 and 13

These are unrelated passages you're using to synthesize a meaning not written by the inspired author.

 

[CharismaticLady]

same difference. not His.

I'm talking about counting. That is why the temple was destroyed

43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

 

[Victor]

sorry but no thanks.

i listen to God
not esau scribes.

Over the course of many past conversations, you have found every reason to discard Scripture to fabricate utter nonsense, the reason I ignore what you have to offer.

 

[CharismaticLady]

the only temple that matters is
not a building and not in this world.

the temple you refer to is but a type.

just as Sunday or saturday or evenings are used as a type for rest.

It is still good to know how to interpret prophecies by the rules. When you don't know the rules, then denominations can make big mistakes like 2,300 years and 1260 years.

 

[CharismaticLady]

no offense @CharismaticLady

i like you and i’m just sharing what i understand…. ❤️🌸

None taken, sis

 

[CharismaticLady]

what rules do you mean?

He is my ruler.

small "r" LOL

He's my Ruler too.

The rules are as I told you.

Where there are different words for the same amount those are what they say they are and cannot be turned into prophetic time like you can't make day = one year, or 1000 years. For instance, 2,300 mornings and evenings are the amount of 2,300 24 hour days because they use different words. If it had said 2,300 days, then you could make it 2,300 years, but NOT with the specifics of morning and evening, just like the Creation Week was made up of 6 evenings and mornings. 6 literal days.

Only when there is only one word, like weeks, or days can it be prophetic.

 

[CharismaticLady]

i rarely use caps...not sure what you meant by pointing out the r.
LOL.

I see what you wrote, but my explanation is still how I understand from Him.

rules

 

[CharismaticLady]

these are your rules.

I only follow Him.

So do I. There is only one Him. So one of us is hard of hearing.

 

[CharismaticLady]

yes , I know but I was being kind and didnt bring it up.

ROFL!

 

[John t]

I'm not worried about their beliefs if they believe them with all their hearts and live up to them. It is not a doctrine of demons.

The IJ is indeed a doctrine of demons because it says that

1. no one was saved until 1844,​

2. and worse yet, it is an attack on the Atonement of Jesus Christ, calling it "insufficient"​

 

[John t]

He didn't wait, because of the people as you, said to make a golden calf.

That is an unmitigated falsehood, reeking of sulfur.

 

[Buzzard]

Prov.6:30
30 Men do not despise a thief,
if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

31 But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold;
he shall give all the substance of his house.

32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding:
he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
33 A wound and dishonour shall he get;
and his reproach shall not be wiped away.

34 For jealousy is the rage of a man:
therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

35 He will not regard any ransom;
neither will he rest content,
though thou givest many gifts.


Numbers5:11
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel,
and say unto them,
If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

and you can read the rest

Hosea 9:14
Give them, O Lord: what wilt thou give?
give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

What will ye do in the solemn day,
and in the day of the feast of the Lord?

 

[CharismaticLady]

The IJ is indeed a doctrine of demons because it says that

1. no one was saved until 1844,​

2. and worse yet, it is an attack on the Atonement of Jesus Christ, calling it "insufficient"​

I was an Adventist all my youth through college and never heard that nonsense.

 

[Buzzard]

Matt.13:33
Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
till the whole was leavened.

Know ye not that a little leaven, leaveneth the whole

Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them,
He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Formersda]

Ask any questions about the SDA CHURCH I will answered all your questions BIBLICAL. But if I ask you questions, I want also to get my answer from the Bible.

First I will never get angry because my faith is based on the Bible and our pioneers.

Second I am not a SDA today church member. I am from the pioneers. We don't believe in the teaching of the Trinity. Our pioneers never was a trinitarian. So I'm ready for all the so called teachers of the Bible today!! Thanks for your invitation.

Ok show me in the bible the investigative judgement without the use of proof texts?

 

[John t]

I was an Adventist all my youth through college and never heard that nonsense.

While you never heard it being taught, it cannot be said that this heresy is not official SDA dogma of the SDA church.

From OFFICIAL SOURCES, here is their fundamental belief #24

24. Serve Christ in the heavenly sanctuary:​

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There is a paradise in Heaven, the genuine abode of the Lord, not man. In Christ, Christ serves in our name, while making available to believers the benefits of his penitential sacrifice once offered on the cross. He was inaugurated as our esteemed priest, and his intercession service began when he ascended. He explains among the living who dwell in Christ, keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and thus are ready to be translated into his eternal kingdom. This judgment justifies God’s justice by saving those who believe in Jesus. The completion of this service to Christ will be a sign of the careful observation of humanity before the second coming.​

from https://adventistguide.com/28-fundamental-beliefs-explained/

Compare 2 Timothy 3:16 below with this, how they view the words of Ellen.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness KJV

18. The endowment of prophecy:​

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One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This blessing is a hallmark of the surviving church, and it was clear in the Ellen ministry. C. White. As a Messenger of the Lord, his writings are a source of continuous and reliable truth that provides comfort, direction, teaching, and correction in the Church. It also shows that the Bible is the standard to be tested in teaching and teaching.​

from https://adventistguide.com/28-fundamental-beliefs-explained/

Quite clearly, they believe that her words are on the same level as the entire Bible.

Were you sleeping during Sabbath School, or flirting with the boys? (just kidding)

I am not putting you down in saying this, but for some reason, you seem ignorant of these, and other heresies in the SDA church. I suggest that you go to the site from which I pasted this stuff, and carefully read what the 28 Fundamental beliefs actually say. The cure for ignorance us learning the truth, and I only post so you can see what they actually say.

 

[Victor]

I was an Adventist all my youth through college and never heard that nonsense.

...for some reason, you seem ignorant of these, and other heresies in the SDA church. I suggest that you go to the site from which I pasted this stuff, and carefully read what the 28 Fundamental beliefs actually say. The cure for ignorance us learning the truth, and I only post so you can see what they actually say.

Well said, John.
C-Lady, you haven't detailed why you left Adventism, but doesn't it seem odd that you spent so much time in it and never learned the nonsense forming the core tenets of the SDA church?