Why is everybody picking on SDAs?

[CharismaticLady]

While you never heard it being taught, it cannot be said that this heresy is not official SDA dogma of the SDA church.

From OFFICIAL SOURCES, here is their fundamental belief #24

24. Serve Christ in the heavenly sanctuary:​

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There is a paradise in Heaven, the genuine abode of the Lord, not man. In Christ, Christ serves in our name, while making available to believers the benefits of his penitential sacrifice once offered on the cross. He was inaugurated as our esteemed priest, and his intercession service began when he ascended. He explains among the living who dwell in Christ, keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and thus are ready to be translated into his eternal kingdom. This judgment justifies God’s justice by saving those who believe in Jesus. The completion of this service to Christ will be a sign of the careful observation of humanity before the second coming.​

from https://adventistguide.com/28-fundamental-beliefs-explained/

Compare 2 Timothy 3:16 below with this, how they view the words of Ellen.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness KJV

18. The endowment of prophecy:​

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One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This blessing is a hallmark of the surviving church, and it was clear in the Ellen ministry. C. White. As a Messenger of the Lord, his writings are a source of continuous and reliable truth that provides comfort, direction, teaching, and correction in the Church. It also shows that the Bible is the standard to be tested in teaching and teaching.​

from https://adventistguide.com/28-fundamental-beliefs-explained/

Quite clearly, they believe that her words are on the same level as the entire Bible.

Were you sleeping during Sabbath School, or flirting with the boys? (just kidding)

I am not putting you down in saying this, but for some reason, you seem ignorant of these, and other heresies in the SDA church. I suggest that you go to the site from which I pasted this stuff, and carefully read what the 28 Fundamental beliefs actually say. The cure for ignorance us learning the truth, and I only post so you can see what they actually say.

I read this post and did not see 24 interpreted in the way you said. So I still do not believe they teach what you thought.

Yes, I liked the boys; I was the only girl on the boys baseball team, because I could catch flies and hit the ball over the fence. LOL But nobody was interested in me romantically. Boo Hoo

 

[CharismaticLady]

Well said, John.
C-Lady, you haven't detailed why you left Adventism, but doesn't it seem odd that you spent so much time in it and never learned the nonsense forming the core tenets of the SDA church?

I was in it because of the Ten Commandments. None of the writings of EGW interested me, but I did buy into the Spirit of Prophecy being her.

I debated with a guy all night about the Law vs. Grace, and lets just say, he won. It was like a light bulb went on over my head and I "got it." But his denomination wasn't completely right either, so I left after only one year. It was six years after a divorce that I finally knew I needed to find a church and went hunting, and found one. Interestingly, the first sermon I heard was on the Sabbath. I took it as a sign. 6 months later, all in one night alone, I received a vision, and heard God's voice speak to me. I was in shock. But I truly repented and was immediately physically filled with the Holy Spirit and a heavy burden seemed to lift off of me. My nature was completely transformed. I believe that heavy burden was my old nature, because I haven't been out of the Spirit in 44 years. Now I'm teaching pastors.

 

[Victor]

I read this post and did not see 24 interpreted in the way you said. So I still do not believe they teach what you thought.

FB #24 isn't subject to interpretation. It means what it says. Here is the full text:

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:

There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.​

By stating a "second and last phase of His atoning ministry" this indicates that atonement was not completed at Calvary. This also claims that the Investigative Judgment determines who is worthy of salvation, and asserts that it is by your compliance with the "commandments of God", which in SDA vernacular means the old covenant. Adventism has a twisted view of redemption that doesn't assert the deliverance from the Law that held the recipients in the past tense.

Galatians 4

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.​

Notice how everything pivots around 1844 - a date when nothing happened except in the minds of the poor little flock deprived of their second advent prediction.

 

[Victor]

I was in it because of the Ten Commandments.

You never responded to my question regarding if anyone showed you what the Ten Commandments was.

None of the writings of EGW interested me, but I did buy into the Spirit of Prophecy being her.

I see this too often. Reading from the Pen of Liability has taken a lot of people out of Adventism. Read the nonsense from the horse's mouth.

I debated with a guy all night about the Law vs. Grace, and lets just say, he won. It was like a light bulb went on over my head and I "got it." But his denomination wasn't completely right either, so I left after only one year. It was six years after a divorce that I finally knew I needed to find a church and went hunting, and found one. Interestingly, the first sermon I heard was on the Sabbath. I took it as a sign. 6 months later, all in one night alone, I received a vision, and heard God's voice speak to me. I was in shock. But I truly repented and was immediately physically filled with the Holy Spirit and a heavy burden seemed to lift off of me. My nature was completely transformed. I believe that heavy burden was my old nature, because I haven't been out of the Spirit in 44 years. Now I'm teaching pastors.

This doesn't explain why you aren't an Adventist, nor your relation in the "law versus grace" dialog.

Tell me, what can you glean about the limited jurisdiction of any given legal package from Matthew 17?

24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”​

25 He said, “Yes.”​

And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”​

26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”​

Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free."​

Who does the Law apply to? Is it for strangers or for God's adopted children?

Galatians 3

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

Too many have reversed the relationship the recipients had with the Law. They didn't keep the Law; the Law kept the recipients until the time of God's redemption by faith.

 

[Victor]

I read this post and did not see 24 interpreted in the way you said. So I still do not believe they teach what you thought.

I posted this in another thread for someone else - and repeat the post here for your benefit. It better explains what the Investigative Judgment doctrine is.
This is a long paste from the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy, followed by my summary.


"And, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away." Daniel 7:13, 14. The coming of Christ here described is not His second coming to the earth. He comes to the Ancient of Days in heaven to receive dominion and glory and a kingdom, which will be given Him at the close of His work as a mediator. It is this coming, and not His second advent to the earth, that was foretold in prophecy to take place at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844. Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man--to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits. {GC 479.3}

In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement. So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. The judgment of the wicked is a distinct and separate work, and takes place at a later period. "Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel?" 1 Peter 4:17. {GC 480.1}

...

Every man's work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered with terrible exactness every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel. {GC 482.1}

The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. Says the wise man: "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment." Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14. The apostle James admonishes his brethren: "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12 {GC 482.2}

Those who in the judgment are "accounted worthy" will have a part in the resurrection of the just. Jesus said: "They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, . . . are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." Luke 20:35, 36. And again He declares that "they that have done good" shall come forth "unto the resurrection of life." John 5:29. The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of "the resurrection of life." Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. {GC 482.3}

Jesus will appear as their advocate, to plead in their behalf before God. "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." 1 John 2:1. "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." "Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them." Hebrews 9:24; 7:25. {GC 482.4}

As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: "Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book." Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, . . . all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned." Ezekiel 18:24. {GC 483.1}

Here are the pertinent facts:

• Convened only after 1844, 'it is...in 1844...to perform the work of investigative judgment'
• Addresses only the 'professed people of God', and is not a general judgment
• Convened in absentia of the accused, 'they will not be present in person'
• The accused are judged according to the old covenant, 'The law of God is the standard'
• Adventist soteriology is dependent on this alleged judgment, 'their names will be blotted out of the book of life'

Finding something that matches this criteria in Scripture has never been done. Ever. The whole thing is a sorry excuse for something that never happened in 1844.

 

[Formersda]

I posted this in another thread for someone else - and repeat the post here for your benefit. It better explains what the Investigative Judgment doctrine is.
This is a long paste from the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy, followed by my summary.


"And, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away." Daniel 7:13, 14. The coming of Christ here described is not His second coming to the earth. He comes to the Ancient of Days in heaven to receive dominion and glory and a kingdom, which will be given Him at the close of His work as a mediator. It is this coming, and not His second advent to the earth, that was foretold in prophecy to take place at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844. Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man--to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits. {GC 479.3}

In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement. So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. The judgment of the wicked is a distinct and separate work, and takes place at a later period. "Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel?" 1 Peter 4:17. {GC 480.1}

...

Every man's work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered with terrible exactness every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel. {GC 482.1}

The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. Says the wise man: "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment." Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14. The apostle James admonishes his brethren: "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12 {GC 482.2}

Those who in the judgment are "accounted worthy" will have a part in the resurrection of the just. Jesus said: "They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, . . . are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." Luke 20:35, 36. And again He declares that "they that have done good" shall come forth "unto the resurrection of life." John 5:29. The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of "the resurrection of life." Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. {GC 482.3}

Jesus will appear as their advocate, to plead in their behalf before God. "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." 1 John 2:1. "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." "Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them." Hebrews 9:24; 7:25. {GC 482.4}

As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: "Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book." Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, . . . all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned." Ezekiel 18:24. {GC 483.1}

Here are the pertinent facts:

• Convened only after 1844, 'it is...in 1844...to perform the work of investigative judgment'
• Addresses only the 'professed people of God', and is not a general judgment
• Convened in absentia of the accused, 'they will not be present in person'
• The accused are judged according to the old covenant, 'The law of God is the standard'
• Adventist soteriology is dependent on this alleged judgment, 'their names will be blotted out of the book of life'

Finding something that matches this criteria in Scripture has never been done. Ever. The whole thing is a sorry excuse for something that never happened in 1844.

Yes there is scriptures silly, but it’s parts of verses put together to form their doctrine. Don’t you know that SDAS find reading more than one verse is too difficult?
All of the above are verses taken out of context never met an Adventist who can read in context

 

[CharismaticLady]

FB #24 isn't subject to interpretation. It means what it says. Here is the full text:

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:

There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.​

By stating a "second and last phase of His atoning ministry" this indicates that atonement was not completed at Calvary. This also claims that the Investigative Judgment determines who is worthy of salvation, and asserts that it is by your compliance with the "commandments of God", which in SDA vernacular means the old covenant. Adventism has a twisted view of redemption that doesn't assert the deliverance from the Law that held the recipients in the past tense.

Galatians 4

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.​

Notice how everything pivots around 1844 - a date when nothing happened except in the minds of the poor little flock deprived of their second advent prediction.

Yes, that was the Millerites. They got three things wrong. Daniel 8 was about the Jews under Greek rule, and was fulfilled in Jewish history. 2,300 mornings and evenings in the rules of prophecy are 2,300 actual days, not half days, or 2,300 years. It is the same basis on which the days of Creation Week being evening and morning were interpreted as 24-hour days. I studied that in academy, but went back to it years after leaving SDA and saw the complete mixed prophecies problem

BTW I once thought of 1150 days too. LOL But that was before I figured out the rules of interpreting prophetic time, and the law of first use. William Miller thought of the other type of error (day/year), but used a date from the prophecy of Daniel 9 to figure out the prophecies of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7. And also he used the wrong decree starting date out of four different decrees of Daniel 9. Easy mistake to not notice "and the walls."

But what the Millerites did that was in God's plan I believe had to do with Advent as part of their name. The second coming was finally anticipated in post-apostolic church history. We owe that to the Millerites who became Adventists. I don't know when they adopted the "Seventh-day" instead of the usual first day. Do you?

 

[Buzzard]

Ephesians Ch. 5
as Paul says
vs. 32 This is a great mystery:
but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,
so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,
not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Song of Solomon Ch.5

I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse:
I have gathered my myrrh with my spice;
I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey;
I have drunk my wine with my milk:
eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.

2 I sleep, but my heart waketh:
it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh,
saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled:
for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on?
I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?

4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door,
and my bowels were moved for him.

5 I rose up to open to my beloved;
and my hands dropped with myrrh,
and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh,
upon the handles of the lock.

6 I opened to my beloved;
but my beloved had withdrawn himself,
and was gone: my soul failed when he spake:
I sought him, but I could not find him;
I called him, but he gave me no answer.
___________________________________________________________________________________________

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,
not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish.

SO; Students of Scripture
What were the Spots , Wrinkles and Blemishes on the Bride that he withdrew himself ???????

 

[CharismaticLady]

You never responded to my question regarding if anyone showed you what the Ten Commandments was.

I don't recall your post. What was the question? Who (if anyone) and When?

This doesn't explain why you aren't an Adventist, nor your relation in the "law versus grace" dialog.

Yes, you're right, I didn't. That was the non-detail explaining of events. LOL

Tell me, what can you glean about the limited jurisdiction of any given legal package from Matthew 17?

24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”25 He said, “Yes.”And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free."
Who does the Law apply to? Is it for strangers or for God's adopted children?

The sons are free because they have the truth. The truth shall set you free. In other words, the gospel. But only the true meaning, not all this fake stuff out of post-apostolic teachings. John 8:32-36

 

[CharismaticLady]

The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. Says the wise man: "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment." Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14. The apostle James admonishes his brethren: "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12 {GC 482.2}

The law of liberty is what is taught in Great Controversy??? Hmmmm. That isn't the Ten Commandments.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Finding something that matches this criteria in Scripture has never been done. Ever. The whole thing is a sorry excuse for something that never happened in 1844.

That's why I never took her books seriously. Just the commandments.

 

[CharismaticLady]

i think given that liberty as a term is an early modern concept that the cited translation of james is corrupt.

kjv is generally corrupt.

No, that's the New Covenant. Freedom from sin is liberty.

 

[Victor]

Yes, that was the Millerites. They got three things wrong. Daniel 8 was about the Jews under Greek rule, and was fulfilled in Jewish history. 2,300 mornings and evenings in the rules of prophecy are 2,300 actual days, not half days, or 2,300 years. It is the same basis on which the days of Creation Week being evening and morning were interpreted as 24-hour days. I studied that in academy, but went back to it years after leaving SDA and saw the complete mixed prophecies problem

BTW I once thought of 1150 days too. LOL But that was before I figured out the rules of interpreting prophetic time, and the law of first use. William Miller thought of the other type of error (day/year), but used a date from the prophecy of Daniel 9 to figure out the prophecies of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7. And also he used the wrong decree starting date out of four different decrees of Daniel 9. Easy mistake to not notice "and the walls."

But what the Millerites did that was in God's plan I believe had to do with Advent as part of their name. The second coming was finally anticipated in post-apostolic church history. We owe that to the Millerites who became Adventists. I don't know when they adopted the "Seventh-day" instead of the usual first day. Do you?

There are serious problems in your post:

• This doesn't respond to the content of the post it is anchored to - at all.
• What you wrote is a response to my post #71 - and here you're repeating the same mistakes. The unit of measure in Daniel 8:13-14 is the daily oblations, and not a measurement in days, evenings, or mornings.
• You're still making a synthesis of unrelated texts to fabricate something the biblical author didn't write.
• Your dates for Antiochus Epiphanes are about 100 years off, long after his death.

Don't blame William Miller for these mistakes. He recognized the model he fabricated was a total mistake, and this wasn't anything in "God's plan". This is what he wrote in his 1845 Apology and Defense:

Some are disposed to lay a stress on the seventh month
movement which is not warranted by the Word. There was then a
dedication of heart in view of the Lord's coming, that was well
pleasing in the sight of God. Desire for the Lord's coming and
preparation for that event are acceptable to Him. But because we
then ardently desired his coming, and sought that preparation that
was necessary, it does not follow that our expectations were then
realized. For we were certainly disappointed. We expected the
personal coming of Christ at that time; and now to contend that
we were not mistaken, is dishonest. We should never be ashamed to
frankly confess all our errors.
I have no confidence in any of the new theories that have grown
out of that movement, viz., that Christ then came as the
Bridegroom, that the door of mercy was closed, that there is no
salvation for sinners, that the seventh trumpet then sounded, or
that it was a fulfilment of prophecy in any sense. The spirit of
fanaticism which has resulted from it, in some places, leading to
extravagance and excess, I regard as of the same nature as those
which retarded the reformation in Germany; and the same as have
been connected with every religious movement since the first
advent. The truth is not responsible for such devices of Satan to
destroy it. I have never taught a neglect of any of the duties of life,
which make us good parents, children, neighbors or citizens. I have
ever inculcated a faithful performance of all those duties, enjoining
good works with faith and repentance. Those who have taught the
neglect of these, instead of acting with me or being my followers,
as they are called, have departed from my counsels and acted in
opposition to my uniform teachings: men have crept in unawares,
who have given heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils,
teaching lies in hypocrisy, denying any personal existence of Christ,
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from certain
kinds of food, denying the right to pray for sinners, and
commanding to violate our social duties, etc. With such things, I
have no sympathy.

 

[Victor]

The law of liberty is what is taught in Great Controversy??? Hmmmm. That isn't the Ten Commandments.

I don't see you finding this model in Scripture.
And,
I'm starting to suspect your claim of being an Adventist, based on your unfamiliarity of the way they modify terms.

 

[Victor]

I don't recall your post. What was the question? Who (if anyone) and When?

Please review post #64.

Yes, you're right, I didn't. That was the non-detail explaining of events. LOL

You don't want to converse?
Okay.

The sons are free because they have the truth. The truth shall set you free. In other words, the gospel. But only the true meaning, not all this fake stuff out of post-apostolic teachings. John 8:32-36

I have never seen anyone refer to Scripture as "fake stuff out of post-apostolic teachings".
Until now.

 

[Victor]

That's why I never took her books seriously. Just the commandments.

Not even the commandments, since you dispensed with that a few minutes ago.
You aren't taking anything seriously, IMO.

 

[CharismaticLady]

i’m aware what you are saying

but that word is a modern concept

since the industrial revolution.

it exists in translations but
never He spoke that way.

But all English is modern.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You don't want to converse?

It was the wrong definition of grace that took me away from SDA. I know so much more now and that's a book!

 

[CharismaticLady]

as souls we are not free… in a very limited sense we can choose but very limited

..where

either sin rules us or God does…

but scripture is not originally in english
and isn’t modern

You're right and that is why we have to read the New Testament with eastern thinking and eastern styles of writing to understand what they mean, as opposed to just what they say. Like Hebrew idioms. And the two styles of writing called parallelisms or doubling and contrasts.

 

[CharismaticLady]

K, but did they ever tell you what the Ten Commandments was?
Probably not, the reason you refer to the Ten Commandments as "them" rather than "it".
It is a proper noun in the singular, as Moses called the covenant from Mount Sinai (Deuteronomy 4:13). The contents are referred to in the plural in many places (even by Moses), but its role as a covenant is a single unit that faced a single disposition by God - as Hebrews 10:9 states in part, "He takes away the first that He may establish the second".

Did SDA teach me what it was? No. I learned about covenants years later.