Why Jews Inevitably Will accept Jesus

Rachel Redux

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What does a second witness have to do with a new so-called requirement of sinlessness in order to carry out capital punishemnt.
There is definitely a requirement to have a 2nd witness before stoning someone. Yeshua wasn't making it a new law that one be sinless in order to carry out capital punishment.
There is no prophecy that the messiah will be pierced. Christian bibles mistranslate the verse in question.
Oh sure they do.
 

Rachel Redux

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Mark 7:18-19, and Paul was more open about it.
Yeshua never told anyone to disobey God’s Law.
Mark 7 18-19 is referring to the ritual washing of vessels only and is in no way telling people it's okay to eat unclean foods.
 
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Open Heart

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It might not be a sect of Rabbinic/Pharisaic Judaism, but it would be component of the whole of the history of Jewish experience, thought, and culture in an expanded view of what makes up "Judaism".

The claim that Messiah would in some way be God is in Dead Sea Scrolls, fitting with Trinitarian concepts.
Changes in covenants and Priesthood ideas are all there as well.
Oh please, referring to Judaism as "rabbinic Judaism" as a way to try to squeeze MJ into the fold just doesn't work. MJ believes Jesus died for your sins, rose from the dead, and will come again --therefore it is a form of Chrisitanity, not Judaism.
 

Open Heart

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There is definitely a requirement to have a 2nd witness before stoning someone. Yeshua wasn't making it a new law that one be sinless in order to carry out capital punishment.

Oh sure they do.
But its irrelevant to the point.

It is also wholly illegal to kill someone with a lynchmob rather than take them before a Jewish court of law, but do you know why I don't make this a point? Because it is irrelevant.

You need to address the point that was made, rather than deflect.
 

Rachel Redux

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It is also wholly illegal to kill someone with a lynchmob rather than take them before a Jewish court of law, but do you know why I don't make this a point? Because it is irrelevant.

You need to address the point that was made, rather than deflect.
Lol.....no it is not irrelevant! The point is that Yeshua was teaching this lynch mob the finer points and expounding....he was teaching, not making new Law! That's what he did! He taught. :)
 

Rachel Redux

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Oh please, referring to Judaism as "rabbinic Judaism" as a way to try to squeeze MJ into the fold just doesn't work. MJ believes Jesus died for your sins, rose from the dead, and will come again --therefore it is a form of Chrisitanity, not Judaism.
Amen. And so does my faith.
 

Jewjitzu

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Yeshua never told anyone to disobey God’s Law.
Mark 7 18-19 is referring to the ritual washing of vessels only and is in no way telling people it's okay to eat unclean foods.
God's laws include listening to the Rabbis, Deut 17:8-13. Claiming nothing is unclean of itself is false, as there's a whole chapter of unclean foods, Lev 11.

Paul taught eating unclean was okay. Who taught him that?
 

Jewjitzu

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Are you saying it isn't Jewish?
No, it's Christianity. What's ironic is they do Rabbinical things to try to look legitimately Jewish, like reading from a Torah scroll, blowing a shofar, lighting candles, wearing a tallit and tzitzit, wearing a kippah, etc.
 
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