Why Jews will never accept Jesus

Open Heart

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I've had serious disagreements with my spouse. Were we having a debate?
Of course. You may have been having an argument, which is when it gets personal. I don't know, since I wasn't there. But I'm sure you had to do more than give your spouse your view, you had to give her reasons why, or if you made an assertion, you had to tell her where you learned your information.
 

Jewjitzu

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The New Covenant was instigated by Jesus for the Jews first and then for the Gentiles as prophesied. God used the Jews to bring in the messiah to save the Gentiles.
The new covenant is Torah written on the hearts and minds. You're sadly mistaken.

That's what the scriptures say. You need to read them and stop listening to your Rabbis propaganda. I can say that Lord is my righteousness because of what Jesus did for me.
You need to wake up.
I just quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34. Sorry, but you're no authority, scholar, teacher, etc.

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD is our righteousness.

Messiah isn't called that.
 

Biblican

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Maybe you need to review Exodus 12. It says for 7 days no leaven should be found in your home. I can't do that now. So I observe the day by setting it aside as a Holy day.
I learned something interesting. Jesus was a Galilean and the Galileans and the Samaritans celebrated two Passovers. The first was the evening before the Exodus Passover. That would be the last supper John records in his gospel. That Passover was to commemorate the fact that it was only the firstborn that were in danger in Egypt. Then they would celebrate the second Passover on the following night. Jesus was arrested and crucified on the same day that the animals were being slaughtered for the Exodus Passover. That would put Jesus' in the tomb for the full three nights. I believe that the Passover that is recorded in the other gospels is that Galilean Passover. So I think Christians should celebrate the Passover Jesus had the day before the regular Passover with a communion service to commemorate His last Passover, and the fact that His death and represents our deliverance and the fact that His blood on the doorposts of our hearts sets us free from death.
 

Biblican

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The new covenant is Torah written on the hearts and minds. You're sadly mistaken.


I just quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34. Sorry, but you're no authority, scholar, teacher, etc.

Jeremiah 33:16
In those days, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD is our righteousness.

Messiah isn't called that.
The New Covenant Jesus made with His blood enables the Holy Spirit to indwell us and guide us which is the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy. You are the one who is mistaken because you still don't understand what was going on in Genesis 3.
We are called the LORD our righteousness because of the Messiah who is the BRANCH. We have no righteousness of our own, all our righteousness are as filthy rags as Isaiah said. Try to justify yourself before God draped in your fig leaves.
 

Jewjitzu

Well-known member
I learned something interesting. Jesus was a Galilean and the Galileans and the Samaritans celebrated two Passovers. The first was the evening before the Exodus Passover. That would be the last supper John records in his gospel. That Passover was to commemorate the fact that it was only the firstborn that were in danger in Egypt. Then they would celebrate the second Passover on the following night. Jesus was arrested and crucified on the same day that the animals were being slaughtered for the Exodus Passover. That would put Jesus' in the tomb for the full three nights. I believe that the Passover that is recorded in the other gospels is that Galilean Passover. So I think Christians should celebrate the Passover Jesus had the day before the regular Passover with a communion service to commemorate His last Passover, and the fact that His death and represents our deliverance and the fact that His blood on the doorposts of our hearts sets us free from death.
Interesting. So Jesus celebrated the wrong Passover.
 

Biblican

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Jesus ain't the God.
He is not God the Father but He is equal with God because they are the same Spirit. That's why Jesus said that as the Father has life in Himself so He has given to the Son to have life in Himself. Only God can have life in Himself. Jesus and the Father are one, two persons one Spirit.
 

Jewjitzu

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The New Covenant Jesus made with His blood enables the Holy Spirit to indwell us and guide us which is the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy.
Yep, Jeremiah doesn't support your words.

You are the one who is mistaken because you still don't understand what was going on in Genesis 3.
No, I understand.

We are called the LORD our righteousness because of the Messiah who is the BRANCH.
Wrong. Jerusalem is called that in Jeremiah 33:16.

We have no righteousness of our own, all our righteousness are as filthy rags as Isaiah said. Try to justify yourself before God draped in your fig leaves.
You forgot Isaiah 64:5 -
You welcome those who gladly do right, who remember your ways.... Same as Ezekiel 18.
 

Biblican

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Very interesting because an asham is not the sacrifice brought for Yom Kippur, so you debunked yourself. Rotfl...


Cyrus is the first anointed, Messiah after the initial 7 weeks. After the next 62 weeks, Israel is the anointed, Hab 3:13, Psalm 28:8, cut-off from the land, for failing to make restitution for the Sabbatical years of Leviticus 26:18, 2 Chronicles 36:21-23.


Jesus never brought in anything, and sinning hasn't stopped.
The only sacrifice that really mattered was the one that the High preist did once a year because it represented the final sacrifce of the Messiah. That was the sacrifice that covered al the sins of the people.
Total nonsense. Cyrus was not the Messiah and he is not mentioned in the 70 week prophecy, its not about him its all about the messiah and Israel was not killed. Cut off means killed. The text says specifically that Messiah was cut off. Again, there is no other Messiah appearing in scripture after the destruction of the second temple. Jesus has to be the Messiah and the putting an end to sin means that sins would be forgiven.
 

Biblican

Member
Yep, Jeremiah doesn't support your words.


No, I understand.


Wrong. Jerusalem is called that in Jeremiah 33:16.


You forgot Isaiah 64:5 -
You welcome those who gladly do right, who remember your ways.... Same as Ezekiel 18.
Jeremiah's prophecy was about the New Covenant Jesus instigated.
You don't understand you keep proving that.
Correlate the prophecy with the Messiah being the Branch. We can only be righteous through Him that is why Jerusalem that represents God's people can be called righteous. We have no righteousness that can justify ourselves before God. Adam and Eve roved that.
 

Jewjitzu

Well-known member
The only sacrifice that really mattered was the one that the High preist did once a year because it represented the final sacrifce of the Messiah. That was the sacrifice that covered al the sins of the people.
It wasn't an asham as your using in Isaiah 53:10. You're debunked.

Total nonsense. Cyrus was not the Messiah and he is not mentioned in the 70 week prophecy, its not about him its all about the messiah and Israel was not killed. Cut off means killed. The text says specifically that Messiah was cut off. Again, there is no other Messiah appearing in scripture after the destruction of the second temple. Jesus has to be the Messiah and the putting an end to sin means that sins would be forgiven.
Cyrus is called anointed, Messiah, in Isa 45:1. You can't avoid it. Israel is also called anointed and is cut-off after the 62 weeks from the land.
 

Jewjitzu

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Jeremiah's prophecy was about the New Covenant Jesus instigated.
You don't understand you keep proving that.
Correlate the prophecy with the Messiah being the Branch. We can only be righteous through Him that is why Jerusalem that represents God's people can be called righteous. We have no righteousness that can justify ourselves before God. Adam and Eve roved that.
Ezekiel 18, Jeremiah 33, Ezekiel 37-45, etc. , prove you wrong.

Why don't have a bowl of soup with crackers, a glass of milk, and go to bed. Rotfl...

27But if a wicked man turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28Because he considered and turned from all the transgressions he had committed, he will surely live; he will not die.
 

rod.ney

Active member
I gave you the proof already. Cyrus is called my anointed, Messiah, by God Himself.

What do the 70 weeks represent? Cyrus is the first anointed after 7 weeks. The 2nd comes after the other 62 weeks. If you understand the 70 weeks, you'll understand which anointed was cut-off.

Nothing says sin is stopped in another 1000 years. That just shows Jesus accomplished nada.

Read Ezra 1-4. Enjoy!

Rotfl...
You gave Nothing as PROOF, as Cyrus was NOT the one that accomplished the Restoring & Rebuilding of Jerusalem in times of Trouble as Dan.9:25 POINT blank says! Only Nehemiah chapter 2-4 COMPLETELY fits that in RED narrative in Dan.9:25! And he ( Cyrus ) was NOT the anointed that got cut off as verse 26 states! You remain 100% rebuked ( 2 Tim.3:16 ) by the scriptures that I posted that 100% match what Dan.9:25-26 is talking about ------------------ -----------

Daniel 9:25-26​

New International Version​

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word ( Decree ) goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It ( Jerusalem ) will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
 

Jewjitzu

Well-known member
You gave Nothing as PROOF, as Cyrus was NOT the one that accomplished the Restoring & Rebuilding of Jerusalem in times of Trouble as Dan.9:25 POINT blank says! Only Nehemiah chapter 2-4 COMPLETELY fits that in RED narrative in Dan.9:25! And he ( Cyrus ) was NOT the anointed that got cut off as verse 26 states! You remain 100% rebuked ( 2 Tim.3:16 ) by the scriptures that I posted that 100% match what Dan.9:25-26 is talking about ------------------ -----------

Daniel 9:25-26​

New International Version​

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word ( Decree ) goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It ( Jerusalem ) will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
From the time the word goes out. Yep, it's Cyrus.
 

Biblican

Member
It wasn't an asham as your using in Isaiah 53:10. You're debunked.


Cyrus is called anointed, Messiah, in Isa 45:1. You can't avoid it. Israel is also called anointed and is cut-off after the 62 weeks from the land.
Isaiah 53:10 is referring to the Messiah's sacrifice that was to take the place of the once a year sacrifice the High Priest made for the sins of the people. The Holy of Holies in the tabernacle represented heaven and God's presence. Only one special priest was chosen to enter once a year symbolically into heaven in the presence of God to make that sacrifice. The priest represents the Messiah, the only one whose sacrifice was made on heaven's altar represented by that atonement.
There is a difference between Cyrus and Israel being called messiah and the actual Messiah ordained by God to be Israel's Redeemer. That was always viewed in the ancient writings as one man and it certainly wasn't Cyrus who was a pagan king. The word that is used for "Cut off" means killed. Israel wasn't killed before the destruction of the second temple, Jesus the Messiah was.
You keep debunking yourself.
 

Biblican

Member
Ezekiel 18, Jeremiah 33, Ezekiel 37-45, etc. , prove you wrong.

Why don't have a bowl of soup with crackers, a glass of milk, and go to bed. Rotfl...

27But if a wicked man turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28Because he considered and turned from all the transgressions he had committed, he will surely live; he will not die.
Ezekiel, Jeremiah etc. prove me right. You have to always take into consideration context and the historical setting, tiing, etc. You can't just repeat what you have been told without checking it out.
Repentance back then under the Old Covenant could preserve God's blessings and prevent Him from killing you, but a soul could not ascend to heaven after the death of the body until the Messiah came under the New Covenant.
 
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