How many times do I have to explain to you people that a covenant is an agreement... You make an agreement with the promise to keep it...The agreement with Ishmael is not the same as with Abraham. The agreement with Abraham is not the same as with Moses. You have no idea what a covenant is...
I'm in one now, you're not.
Then you are saying God made no promise to Abraham. Because Abraham was a gentile...
Nope, never said that.
Therefore Abraham was a Gentile...not a Jew...not a descendant of Israel
I never said he gave birth to himself.
the law was given to the Children of Israel...the law does not make a stranger an Israelite...What is your point here?
A stranger becomes adopted into Israel. We've been thru this.
That's fine. That has nothing to do with the Tanakh.
Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
When and where have the Jews as a nation blessed the world...?
Do you have a Bible? Compare the contributions to mankind based on %population to other people, and what do you find?
What has your country, race, or ethnicity contributed to mankind? Be specific.
I really don't care about liberal opinions or Palestinians, which aren't really a people or nation.
The only democracy in the Middle East is the best thing going there. Ask the Palestinians what their leaders have accomplished besides terrorism and living on welfare.
Every country has a right to protect it's borders and limit immigration. Why doesn't your country take in the immigrants? Why don't you let them live in your house? Why don't you feed and clothes them too?
No, I didn't...you cannot use the same argument to mean seed as a nation and seed as one person from the loins of Abraham for the messiah....So which is it ?
Sure you can. It's based on the context. What a dunce answer you keep giving.
Does the messiah come from the seed of Abraham...Or is Israel the nation the Messiah?
Yes, Messiah comes from the physical loins of Abraham and David. Israel is called out as the servant in several places in Isaiah.
Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Yep, unbroken root, from the male. So, Jesus is out of the question.
Isaiah 42:6
I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Who is the person God is giving for a covenant /agreement in Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Yep, to Israel.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
I asked you a question. Do you keep what the NT tells you too in Acts 15? It's a yes or no. The spirit said you should.
nope...
Moses...did God appear to you personally and give you a law? If not you follow what Moses say...
Uuuhh, God spoke to us and his prophet Moses.
and Tanakh is based on Moses writings
Given by God.
No, it is based on Abraham... Islam believes in one God...Ishmael was before Israel...
No, it's based on Judaism which wrote down the words for you.
Then you are waiting for his appearance...what is the sign of his coming?
Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
So, you have two anointed above. One after 7 weeks, and another after 62 weeks.
please explain to me what sanctuary Daniel is talking about that will be destroyed
The 2nd.
That is not a valid reason...The NT was also written by Jews
Apostates. Their witness is not credible, as is that of gentiles.
That does not solve your dilemma...The NT was written by Jews
See above.
The NT is about...this person who the nation of Israel abhorreth...
Isa 49
7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 63:16
Yet You are our Father,
though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us. You, O LORD, are our Father; our Redeemer from Everlasting is Your name.
So where is your messiah? is he late in coming...where is the sanctuary that will be destroyed?
When he comes, we'll know.
proverbs 16
5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer
shall be abomination.