Why no attention to the horrible translation of the NIV and others yet crickets ?

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glenlogie

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Theo1689 said:
Did everyone see how "leatherneck" simply IGNORED all the facts presented, and engaged in fallacious ad hominem, mud-slinging, guilt by association, and poisoning the well?
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The standard operating procedure for KJVOs is to not respond to any question asked of them, but to regurgitate their shallow talking points. They are unable to respond to questions about those talking points,

They really have no clue how this make them look.
 
David1701

David1701

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Leatherneck0311 said:
Why then wasn’t the Geneva widely used and accepted BEFORE the KJV went to print ?
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The Geneva Bible WAS widely used and accepted, before and after the KJV went to print!

You can combine the Geneva and Latin vulgate and their acceptance and use does NOT even come close th the distribution and use of the KJV that lasted for over 400 years. Your argument is empty and lacks candor.
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Banning the printing of a Bible does tend to reduce its distribution...
 
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David1701

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Leatherneck0311 said:
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There was also the Bishop's Bible and a few older translations, e.g. the Matthews Bible (I don't know if any were still in print), but the Geneva and A.V. were much better than most.

The Geneva Bible was preferred to the A.V., for as long as the Geneva was in print, and for several decades afterwards.
 
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GeneZ

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Leatherneck0311 said:
Dumb ? I would think dumb is making modern translations an idol and giving them a free pass to destroy God’s work through their “wokeness”.
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Unless one ultimately finds God's blessing of locating a pastor who understands the Greek and Hebrew, many of the things they will decipher from the likes of the KJV and modern translations will leave them dull, yet dogmatic in many ways.

Jesus warned that there is a broad and wide way (mainstream, herd thinking) that leads to destruction. Only a few will find it. Only a few pastors are intelligent and skilled enough to exegete for their hearers. It all works out as Jesus said it would. To argue over a translation like the KJV, or NIV? Is dumb. Some truth can be had. But way too much was lost in the translation.
 
GeneZ

GeneZ

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Leatherneck0311 said:
My faith is in Jesus not the intelligence of a pastor or myself.
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Faith comes by "hearing" the Word of God. Romans 10:17.

Its not about human intelligence...

There is such a thing as "spiritual IQ." We are supposed to have the thinking (mind) of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16)
Many fail to achieve that status because they never want the Word taught with accuracy and understanding.

You ever ask? Who chooses who will be given the gift to be genuine pastor? If you have faith in Jesus why do you not trust him to provide? For, who chose the prophets and apostles, as well? Its the many in number who are self appointed. They are the problem.

God is still at work in the body of Christ and raises up a few good men. He will also allow for people who are proud to get what they seek. They will reap what they sow. Those who walk in the Spirit will reap what God sows.

Many call themselves pastors today. Most I would quickly part company with.
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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3​

Sound doctrine is a rare commodity today. For it says that many believers will not tolerate sound doctrinal teaching.

For sound doctrine exposes areas of arrogance and pride in men, and demands the transformation of one's own way of thinking. A way of thinking that most people will prefer. For it says...
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Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."​


According to what I gathered from your response, I do not put much hope in you understanding what I just said.
Yet, I hope I am wrong about that. Jesus is active in the lives of men. Both the good and bad believers.

grace and peace .........
 
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GeneZ

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Leatherneck0311 said:
Got ya your faith is in you ! It is not arrogant to trust God over intellect you have it backwards. You sound like a Pharisee you’re right and everyone should bow done to your interpretation . It does not work that way. I trust God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to guide me, supply all my needs, and His word. Not your interpretation of His word.
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Intellect? Who was talking about intellect? Stupid people can not teach. Other than that? Peter was a simple fisherman. Yet, Paul was a genius. God uses all kinds to teach us with.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God being taught. Romans 10:17

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Faith is not simply something we have because we feel strongly about something.

As far as your comment. You keep projecting what is not true about me because you need an excuse to push me away.

That's OK.. The Lord is going to sort it all out when we stand before Him.

My interpretation? What does this mean to you? "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

You ever think that God can use others to help supply some of your needs?

God does not work on our terms. That is why we are told we must take up our cross if we wish to follow Him.
 
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Leatherneck0311

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GeneZ said:
Intellect? Who was talking about intellect? Stupid people can not teach. Other than that? Peter was a simple fisherman. Yet, Paul was a genius. God uses all kinds to teach us with.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God being taught. Romans 10:17

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Faith is not simply something we have because we feel strongly about something.

As far as your comment. You keep projecting what is not true about me because you need an excuse to push me away.

That's OK.. The Lord is going to sort it all out when we stand before Him.

My interpretation? What does this mean to you? "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

You ever think that God can use others to help supply some of your needs?

God does not work on our terms. That is why we are told we must take up our cross if we wish to follow Him.
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Faith comes from hearing what ? God’s word is the only thing that can and will change a heart.I was basing my responses off of what you posted, and no I wasn’t trying to push you any where. Of course God uses people to teach His word.I know there is more than enough in our English bibles ,that were translated from the Majority texts ,to lead one with a humble heart to Jesus. There aren’t many pastors today who do not tickle their congregations ears on that we agree.
 
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GeneZ

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Leatherneck0311 said:
Faith comes from hearing what ? God’s word is the only thing that can and will change a heart.I was basing my responses off of what you posted, and no I wasn’t trying to push you any where. Of course God uses people to teach His word.I know there is more than enough in our English bibles ,that were translated from the Majority texts ,to lead one with a humble heart to Jesus. There aren’t many pastors today who do not tickle their congregations ears on that we agree.
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You know there is more than enough in our English bibles ,that were translated from the Majority texts ,to lead one with a humble heart to Jesus?

You think it ends there?
 
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YeshuaFan

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David1701 said:
There was also the Bishop's Bible and a few older translations, e.g. the Matthews Bible (I don't know if any were still in print), but the Geneva and A.V. were much better than most.

The Geneva Bible was preferred to the A.V., for as long as the Geneva was in print, and for several decades afterwards.
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Yes, as believe that Geneva was the preferred version for many of the Puritans themselves!
 
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YeshuaFan

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Leatherneck0311 said:
Faith comes from hearing what ? God’s word is the only thing that can and will change a heart.I was basing my responses off of what you posted, and no I wasn’t trying to push you any where. Of course God uses people to teach His word.I know there is more than enough in our English bibles ,that were translated from the Majority texts ,to lead one with a humble heart to Jesus. There aren’t many pastors today who do not tickle their congregations ears on that we agree.
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Dr Macarthur, Sproul and others used nas, Nkjv, Esv, and they taught the full word of God!
 
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