Why slaughter the lamb?

[5wize]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation? Why is this not an option if you believe in both the method and the end result? You are all sons of God through faith.

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice? There is a tradition of martyrdom for such conviction.

 

[docphin5]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation? Why is this not an option if you believe in both the method and the end result? You are all sons of God through faith.

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice? There is a tradition of martyrdom for such conviction.

Better to be a “living sacrifice” than a dead one.

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. (Romans 12:1)

 

[stiggy wiggy]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion ......

What would that achieve?

........why do you take the easy way out ....

There is no other way out. Nor for you.

 

[Howie]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation? Why is this not an option if you believe in both the method and the end result? You are all sons of God through faith.

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice? There is a tradition of martyrdom for such conviction.

The lamb had to be perfect, without blemish.

 

[Yakuda]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation? Why is this not an option if you believe in both the method and the end result? You are all sons of God through faith.

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice? There is a tradition of martyrdom for such conviction.

If you break a vase I own and say you will replace it but bring me a different broken vase you haven't really fulfilled your obligation have you? God loved us enough to allow his only son to be sacrificed in our place so we don't have to suffer the pains of our sins. Why wouldn't you get on your hands and knees and thank anyone who did a think like that for you.

If a man offered his son to take your place in an execution so you could continue to live, what kind of person would you be to not show some kind of profound appreciation to that man?

 

[Lighthearted Atheist]

Better to be a “living sacrifice” than a dead one.

Why? If you just go to heaven then why is it better to be living?

Jesus sacrificed his life. What are you sacrificing by being a 'living' sacrifice?

 

[SteveB]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation? Why is this not an option if you believe in both the method and the end result? You are all sons of God through faith.

We're only sons/daughters of God through faith, BECAUSE Jesus was without sin, and could make it possible for us to become sons and daughters.

My sin-filled state prevents me from being able to make an acceptable sacrifice.
According to the law, those who sin shall die.
Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death.
So, my sin kills me, and makes me incapable of making an offering for my sin. According to the Law, I'd have to offer the life of an animal, upon whom I could pass my sin.
Once Jesus became God's Lamb who took away the sin of the world, no other offerings or sacrifices for sin are valid.
This is more fully described in the new testament letter to the Hebrews.

Hebrews 10 :: New King James Version (NKJV)

Hebrews 10 - For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

www.blueletterbible.org

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice? There is a tradition of martyrdom for such conviction.

Because it was always the sacrifice of another which had to be done.
Sin results the death of the person who commits the sin.

the levitical law made provision for receiving forgiveness, and cleansing.
Once Jesus came, that was all fulfilled in Jesus. Now, there is no more offerings or sacrifices for sin. Jesus was it.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

The lamb had to be perfect, without blemish.

Atheists claim to be free from sins.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

With heaven as the alternative, I can't see how/why this would be true...

Welcome to CARM. How many names do you have?

 

[docphin5]

Why? If you just go to heaven then why is it better to be living?

Because living is about the journey, not necessarily the destination. I can start living now. I don’t have to wait until I get to heaven.

Jesus sacrificed his life. What are you sacrificing by being a 'living' sacrifice?

By denying the inordinate desires of the flesh: wrath, envy, etc.; and choosing to live by truth, good, justice, etc., I “sacrifice” bad rising up from my body for good that I know. I let Christ rule my body (via my soul) rather than let my body rule me.

 

[docphin5]

With heaven as the alternative, I can't see how/why this would be true...

As much as I look forward to “heaven” this is where we have the opportunity to make eternal friends. If I can make a difference in just one life here, I am sure all the suffering will be worth it when we get there. This is temporary compared to what will be for an eternity.

That is what Paul is saying here,

”Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,” (Colossians 1:24)

 

[5wize]

We're only sons/daughters of God through faith, BECAUSE Jesus was without sin, and could make it possible for us to become sons and daughters.

My sin-filled state prevents me from being able to make an acceptable sacrifice.
According to the law, those who sin shall die.
Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death.
So, my sin kills me, and makes me incapable of making an offering for my sin. According to the Law, I'd have to offer the life of an animal, upon whom I could pass my sin.
Once Jesus became God's Lamb who took away the sin of the world, no other offerings or sacrifices for sin are valid.
This is more fully described in the new testament letter to the Hebrews.

Hebrews 10 :: New King James Version (NKJV)

Hebrews 10 - For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

www.blueletterbible.org

Because it was always the sacrifice of another which had to be done.
Sin results the death of the person who commits the sin.

the levitical law made provision for receiving forgiveness, and cleansing.
Once Jesus came, that was all fulfilled in Jesus. Now, there is no more offerings or sacrifices for sin. Jesus was it.

You are a laughable apologist. Were every lamb, pig, chicken, cow, and bushel of produce required to be without sin before sacrifice?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

You are a laughable apologist. Were every lamb, pig, chicken, cow, and bushel of produce required to be without sin before sacrifice?

Why did atheist ring leaders slaughter / sacrifice 200 million people in the last 100 years? This is atheist board and we are here to see atheists defend their violence, hate and torture.

 

[Lighthearted Atheist]

Because living is about the journey, not necessarily the destination. I can start living now. I don’t have to wait until I get to heaven.

By denying the inordinate desires of the flesh: wrath, envy, etc.; and choosing to live by truth, good, justice, etc., I “sacrifice” bad rising up from my body for good that I know. I let Christ rule my body (via my soul) rather than let my body rule me.

This is great but I do not see how it explains why its ok for god to kill babies.

 

[Mike McK]

If you think you are a sinner, why not offer yourself to crucifixion and become responsible for your own salvation?

First, because we can't save ourselves.

Second, because that would be stealing Christ's glory.

As Christians, why do you take the easy way out via the vicarious redemption of another's sacrifice?

Because that is the way God has prescribed.

 

[J regia]

First, because we can't save ourselves.

Second, because that would be stealing Christ's glory.



Because that is the way God has prescribed.

What was glorious about Jesus being executed by the Romans for sedition and falsely claiming to be the Jewish king?

 

[Mike McK]

What was glorious about Jesus being executed by the Romans for sedition and falsely claiming to be the Jewish king?

His resurrection, His victory over death and sin, His fulfilment of prophecy, His atonement for sinners, etc.

 

[docphin5]

This is great but I do not see how it explains why its ok for god to kill babies.

Good, but you don’t explain why you mercilessly beat your dog? (I can play that game too)

 

[J regia]

His resurrection, His victory over death and sin, His fulfilment of prophecy, His atonement for sinners, etc.

But do you have any actual evidence to support that hypothesis?

And where did Jesus say that he wanted to be executed by the Romans for sedition and falsely claiming to be the Jewish king as his atonement for sinners?

 

[Mike McK]

But do you have any actual evidence to support that hypothesis?

Yes, but why should I present it when the question was why can't we sacrifice ourselves for our own salvation?

Why not just address the topic?