Still waiting for the one and only coming.
He came. His name is Jesus.
Still waiting for the one and only coming.
Yes, I've gathered that already. So, atonement is impossible any other way?If not, you will die in your sins.
Yes, I've gathered that already. So, atonement is impossible any other way?
Nope. Try again.He came. His name is Jesus.
Nope. Try again.
Right, right...well, maybe you missed my OP. I am well aware you folks think I'm an ignorant Orthodox Jew who will be going to hell. I am not interested in hearing that again and again. It's an unnecessary repetition and really, a waste of both of our time.I don't have to try again....You simply don't recognize the Messiah.
Right, right...well, maybe you missed my OP.
I am well aware you folks think I'm an ignorant Orthodox Jew who will be going to hell. I am not interested in hearing that again and again. It's an unnecessary repetition and really, a waste of both of our time.
Interesting. Why do you think this? The descriptions I see in the Hebrew scriptures seem to be effectively much the same as those in the Christian texts as well. They're both written by observant Jews so what am I missing?I don't think that we're waiting for the coming of the same messiah.
No temple, no animal sacrifices, no sin offerings?Three simple steps: Confession to God, regret over sinning and a vow not to sin again.
Right, sorry. Thought you insinuated that when you said I missed your messiah.You may want to knock that chip off of your shoulder. I have never called you ignorant.
Right, sorry. Thought you insinuated that when you said I missed your messiah.You may want to knock that chip off of your shoulder. I have never called you ignorant.
AV Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.For those who don't know, I'm an Orthodox Jew (you can check it out on my profile). Many a member here has informed me over the last two years that I will be going to hell. It has occurred to me that as Christians do not agree on many matters (as they say, "two Christians, thirty-thousand opinions"), perhaps they also do not agree on why exactly I will be going to hell.
For those who don't know, I'm an Orthodox Jew (you can check it out on my profile).
So please, lay it on me: Do Christians who believe this agree on the exact reasoning? And if not, what arguments does one denomination have over the views of other denominations?
Well-said. Want to start a different thread on the subject?This comment is far afield
Okay, here are a few questions:Interesting. Why do you think this? The descriptions I see in the Hebrew scriptures seem to be effectively much the same as those in the Christian texts as well. They're both written by observant Jews so what am I missing?
You are probably aware that the Jewish definition of "hell" is different than the typical Christian one. When I say "hell" in this thread, I am merely quoting the many members of this site who have told me that that's where I'll be going, as long as I continue in life as an Orthodox Jew who completely rejects Jesus and any form of Christianity (which is what I plan on doing)."why exactly I will be going to hell.", I believe you are confused on the definition of "hell", even as "an Orthodox Jew", and it's applications.
So are they referring to the death of your body of flesh, first death as "hell" ???
*Shrug* I made this thread so that you could tell me, and more importantly, what is the reason that I will receive this hell. If you have no idea, then we can leave it at that.Or second death as "hell" of "both soul and body" ???
I have respect for Jews as well. We have that in common.Okay... I have nothing but respect for Jews.
Indeed, it has been pretty uniform, so far, so kudos to you guys. Perhaps there's hope for Christian unity yet.The answer should be pretty uniform.
If you don't accept Christ as your Savior and atoning sacrifice before die, then you will die in your sins. As the Bible teaches, the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins:
Heb. 10:4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
I have respect for Jews as well. We have that in common.![]()
Okay, and if I told you that there are other ways to atone for sin, besides sacrifices, what would you say?
It would, but unfortunately I don't have uniform respect for Christians. I have respect for those that respect me and my beliefs. So far, online, I haven't met a whole lot of them.Well, it would have been more impressive if you had reciprocated by saying you had respect for Christians...
What if I told you I could bring verses from the Bible?Two things:
1) The New Testament would disagree with you;
2) I would say that your understanding was based on a need for the Jews to find an alternative form of atonement after the destruction of the Temple.