Why will I be going to hell?

[Theo1689]

What if I told you I could bring verses from the Bible?

I would point out that if you had any, you would have presented them already.

 

[Harel13]

I would point out that if you had any, you would have presented them already.

It wasn't really the topic of the thread, but eh, may as well give it a shot.

A few examples:

Numbers 17:11-12:

"Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take the fire pan, and put on it fire from the altar. Add incense and take it quickly to the community and make expiation for them. For wrath has gone forth from the LORD: the plague has begun!” Aaron took it, as Moses had ordered, and ran to the midst of the congregation, where the plague had begun among the people. He put on the incense and made expiation for the people."

Hoshea 14:3-4:

"Return, O Israel, to the LORD your God, for you have fallen because of your sin. Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to Him: “Forgive all guilt and accept what is good; instead of bulls we will pay [The offering of] our lips."

Samuel 2:12:13:

"David said to Nathan, “I stand guilty before the LORD!” And Nathan replied to David, “The LORD has remitted your sin; you shall not die."

 

[Iconoclast]

Thanks, but I'm not looking for how to prevent it. I plan on being an Orthodox Jew until my dying breath. What are your thoughts on the actual question in my OP?

You are on your way to Hell because you have no propitiation for your sins and no High Priest to offer the once for all time sacrifice.
At the White Throne judgment you would have to be sinlessly perfect.
You are not.I am not.
All sin will be punished in the sinner or the Divine Substitute.
Jesus is the only acceptable substitute.
Your rituals have no saving efficacy.
I would urge you to seek the truth as it is in Jesus.
If not you will remain in your dead orthodox faith.

 

[Harel13]

You are on your way to Hell because you have no propitiation for your sins and no High Priest to offer the once for all time sacrifice.

I can manage without a high priest.
See the second and third examples here:

It wasn't really the topic of the thread, but eh, may as well give it a shot.

A few examples:

Numbers 17:11-12:

"Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take the fire pan, and put on it fire from the altar. Add incense and take it quickly to the community and make expiation for them. For wrath has gone forth from the LORD: the plague has begun!” Aaron took it, as Moses had ordered, and ran to the midst of the congregation, where the plague had begun among the people. He put on the incense and made expiation for the people."

Hoshea 14:3-4:

"Return, O Israel, to the LORD your God, for you have fallen because of your sin. Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to Him: “Forgive all guilt and accept what is good; instead of bulls we will pay [The offering of] our lips."

Samuel 2:12:13:

"David said to Nathan, “I stand guilty before the LORD!” And Nathan replied to David, “The LORD has remitted your sin; you shall not die."

You are not.I am not

Hey now, speak for yourself.

If not you will remain in your dead orthodox faith.

Actually, "orthodox" is not my faith. Judaism is.

 

[Iconoclast]

I can manage without a high priest.
See the second and third examples here:


Hey now, speak for yourself.

Actually, "orthodox" is not my faith. Judaism is.

It does not save. Only Jesus the Great Shepherd of the elect sheep saves.Read Ezk34.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Ps 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; [then] understood I their end.
AV 2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.

*Shrug* I made this thread so that you could tell me, and more importantly, what is the reason that I will receive this hell. If you have no idea, then we can leave it at that.

Then others are in control of your faith understanding, that G-D judges ???

PS: Please do not undermine G-D's judgment with human judgment.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Harel13]

It does not save.

What doesn't save?

Read Ezk34.

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

[Harel13]

Then others are in control of your faith understanding, that G-D judges ???

Well, I certainly never needed Christians to know that God judges, so no, that can't be it.
This is merely a thread to better understand why multiple Christian members of this site believe I will be going to hell.

 

[4Him]

Well, I certainly never needed Christians to know that God judges, so no, that can't be it.
This is merely a thread to better understand why multiple Christian members of this site believe I will be going to hell.

Since you have said you have no respect for Christians, why do you care and why should anyone entertain you on this subject?

 

[Iconoclast]

What doesn't save?

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

I know you do not see it Harel13.
that is why I offered it to you.
17 times God says He will seek and save His sheep

Jesus was identified as this Shepherd, coming to seek and save the lost.lk19, jn 10.
I let you know.If you ignore it, these will be why you go to hell.
Harel, if we lived before the cross and I asked you could I go to heaven if I worshipped molech, instead of the God of Deut.6:4...what would you tell me?
.

 

[Harel13]

Since you have said you have no respect for Christians

I never said that. I said I don't have uniform respect for Christians. It's a case-by-case basis.

why do you care

It interests me. Is that wrong? Could be.

why should anyone entertain you on this subject?

Certainly no one has to, though evidently not everyone agrees with you on this point. If no one had replied to this thread, I would have left the matter alone.

 

[Harel13]

I let you know.If you ignore it, these will be why you go to hell.

So what you're saying is that the reason I will be going to hell is because I do not understand Eze. 34 the way you want me to understand it? Is that it?

Harel, if we lived before the cross and I asked you could I go to heaven if I worshipped molech, instead of the God of Deut.6:4...what would you tell me?

Could you? Theoretically it might be possible. I am not the Divine Judge. It would be up to Him to decide.

 

[4Him]

I never said that. I said I don't have uniform respect for Christians. It's a case-by-case basis.

Yet you were mighty quick to disrespect me by saying I think you're ignorant so I'm doubting your case by case basis and seeing it's simply more of a uniform disrespect.

It interests me. Is that wrong? Could be.

Why does it interest you? I could see if you respected the opinions of those that disagree with you, but we know that isn't the case....so I'm curious as to why you actually care if someone thinks you're going to hell.

Certainly no one has to, though evidently not everyone agrees with you on this point.

Christians do. Keep in mind, not everyone posting on this board or even in this thread is a Christian.

If no one had replied to this thread, I would have left the matter alone.

Which brings me back to why do you actually care?

 

[Harel13]

Yet you were mighty quick to disrespect me by saying I think you're ignorant so I'm doubting your case by case basis and seeing it's simply more of a uniform disrespect

Doubt away, then.

but we know that isn't the case.

I don't know who this "we" is. You don't know me. I made a point about what I think about Christians. You have no idea what I think about every single subject in the world and every sort of person in the world. I don't know why you think it is unreasonable that a person, myself in this case, might jump the gun and answer too quickly and too sarcastically sometimes, considering this person is only human, and moreover the general experience on this site has been that many of the members here consider that person to be ignorant of reality as Christians typically see it.

If this is truly unreasonable in your view, say so.

I'm curious as to why you actually care if someone thinks you're going to hell

As I said, I don't care if someone says I'm going to hell. I have an occasional interest in Christianity and am aware that various denominations have various views, and thought it would be interesting to see if there was a spectrum-wide agreement on this particular subject or not.

Christians do. Keep in mind, not everyone posting on this board or even in this thread is a Christian.

Wait, so everyone who has replied to my question so far is not a Christian? Or is this "Christian" per the CARM definition, which excludes "cults"?

Which brings me back to why do you actually care?

I answered that. I don't care. I'm merely interested. Again, is that wrong? Is it impossible to conceive that a person would merely be interested in a certain subject? Here's another real example about myself: I enjoy drawing dragons. They excite my imagination, though I know they're not real. I don't care that they aren't real, I still like drawing them.

 

[Iconoclast]

So what you're saying is that the reason I will be going to hell is because I do not understand Eze. 34 the way you want me to understand it? Is that it?

Could you? Theoretically it might be possible. I am not the Divine Judge. It would be up to Him to decide.

The reason you will go.to.hell is you are not sinless.
I clearly said this several times.
You will not be found perfect.
That you do not understand Ezk.34 compounds the issue.
I have offered you the way to not experience the wrath of God to the full.
Do not twist my words or my motives Harel.

 

[1Thess521]

For those who don't know, I'm an Orthodox Jew (you can check it out on my profile). Many a member here has informed me over the last two years that I will be going to hell. It has occurred to me that as Christians do not agree on many matters (as they say, "two Christians, thirty-thousand opinions"), perhaps they also do not agree on why exactly I will be going to hell.

So please, lay it on me: Do Christians who believe this agree on the exact reasoning? And if not, what arguments does one denomination have over the views of other denominations?

Have a good weekend, by the way.

Why will some sinners end up in Hell?
Some sinners will go to Hell because that is the just punishment for their sins.

Why will some sinners NOT end up in Hell?
Some people will NOT go to Hell because SomeOne else paid the penalty for their sins.

Either the sinner will pay the penalty for their sins: or SomeOne else will (or did).

 

[Our Lord's God]

For those who don't know, I'm an Orthodox Jew (you can check it out on my profile). Many a member here has informed me over the last two years that I will be going to hell. It has occurred to me that as Christians do not agree on many matters (as they say, "two Christians, thirty-thousand opinions"), perhaps they also do not agree on why exactly I will be going to hell.

So please, lay it on me: Do Christians who believe this agree on the exact reasoning? And if not, what arguments does one denomination have over the views of other denominations?

Have a good weekend, by the way.

The truth is that they will eventually insist that you will be going to never ending torment in Hell for refusing to accept their absurd confirmation bias routines. That's almost always how it works. If you don't participate in their insanity you deserve to be fried. No, they don't see their own problem and they won't either.

 

[4Him]

Doubt away, then.

Because of your post, I do.

I don't know who this "we" is. You don't know me.

And you don't know ME, yet judged me.

I made a point about what I think about Christians.

Oh, yes you did.

You have no idea what I think about every single subject in the world and every sort of person in the world.

Nor do I want to know.

I don't know why you think it is unreasonable that a person, myself in this case, might jump the gun and answer too quickly and too sarcastically sometimes, considering this person is only human, and moreover the general experience on this site has been that many of the members here consider that person to be ignorant of reality as Christians typically see it.

If this is truly unreasonable in your view, say so.

I asked a question, no need for the dissertation.

As I said, I don't care if someone says I'm going to hell.

Apparently you do.

Wait, so everyone who has replied to my question so far is not a Christian?

I didn't say that. Pay attention.

Or is this "Christian" per the CARM definition, which excludes "cults"?

"Cults" aren't Christian.

I answered that. I don't care.

Then you wouldn't have asked.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Identical to the argument of atheists.

Both OT and NT, if you believe them, describe the unending punishment of God against sinners.

You are mistaken again.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

For those who don't know, I'm an Orthodox Jew

Which would mean that you don't ascribe to JESUS being the promised messiah.

Many a member here has informed me over the last two years that I will be going to hell.

As a rejector of Jesus as your SIN OFFERING, then hell is your destination.

It has occurred to me that as Christians do not agree on many matters

The 'ol "Theology" game.

Christians who believe this agree on the exact reasoning?

Nah, there are more theological "theories" than Carter has liver pills.

But Since you're an "Orthodox Jew" none of it is important. You REJECT your Savior, consequently you are still IN YOUR SIN, and as such are hell-bound. God doesn't require a Messiah/Savior to FORGIVE SIN (forgiveness is a simple decision). But "Forgiveness" isn't the issue. ELIMINATION/CLEANSING of the SIN is what's required. And unlike the livestock blood which only "Covered" sin, Jesus Blood removes it entirely from those who place their FAITH in Jesus' SIN OFFERING.

"Orthodox Jew" = rejection of Jesus. SO you have nothing by which your SIN (forgiven or otherwise) is eliminated.

Since your SIN remains, at the Judgement, you'll be sentenced to hell, and then the "lake of fire" for eternity.

Simple as that.