Why would any Christian want to become a Mormon?!

Theo1689

Well-known member
Let's look at the "big picture" of what Mormonism teaches.
There are four ultimate destinations for people:

4) "Outer Darkness"
3) "Telestial Kingdom"
2) "Terrestrial Kingdom"
1) "Celestial Kingdom".



Misinterpretation of Scripture

The initial "teaching" of the "three Kingdoms" comes from Joseph Smith's misinterpretation of Paul in 1 Cor. 15, where Paul contrasts the (present) "terrestrial" (ie. "earthly") with the (future) "celestial" or "heavenly" kingdom. Paul only spoke of ONE "heaven" as an eternal destination. There were only TWO places being contrasted by Paul, not three:

"Terrestrial"

"earthly"
(present)
corruptible
mortal
first man
Adam
"Celestial"

"heavenly"
(future)
incorruptible
immortal
last man
Jesus

Further, the examples Paul gives for differing glories, which Morrmons try to support their "threefold" doctrine, don't actually teach "three":

1 Cor. 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is (1) one kind of flesh of men, (2) another flesh of beasts, )(3) another of fishes, and (4) another of birds.

FOUR?!

1 Cor. 15:40
There are also (1) celestial bodies, and (2) bodies terrestrial: but (1) the glory of the celestial is one, and (2) the glory of the terrestrial is another.

TWO?!

41
There is (1) one glory of the sun, and (2) another glory of the moon, and (3) another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from (4) another star in glory.

FOUR?!

Or is it MILLIONS?! (Since there are millions of different stars?)

And then finally, Smith had to MAKE UP the word "telestial", to make the doctrine "work".


Telestial Kingdom

You can be a truly evil person, a Hitler, commit genocide, and still inherit this "kingdom". You will spend eternity with the Holy Spirit. Where is the incentive for doing good, if you can live a selfish life of sin and greed, and still be rewarded in eternity? Mormons like to mock "faith alone", and say that someone can live a life of sin and still be saved, but is the "Telestial Kingdom" any different?


Terrestrial Kingdom

This is the kingdom the "good people", and Christians, will inherit. No conversion to Mormonism required. And we will be with Jesus and the Holy Spirit.


Celestial Kingdom

This is the kingdom inherited by "faithful Mormons". And you have to jump through various hoops to inherit it. And it brings with it the risk of eternal damnation ("outer darkness"). But you will get to be with Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.


Outer Darkness

This is reserved for, and limited to, apostate Mormons. If you convert to Mormonism, and later proclaim that it is false, then you have no access to any kingdom of glory, but you get to spend eternity in Outer Darkness. So if you are thinking of converting to Mormonism, you better be VERY sure you believe it, and are not going to recant it later on. Perhaps this is the reason Mormons here in the forums refuse to admit the truth?


Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother

Sometimes Mormons use HF as a "carrot" to try to convince you to work towards getting to the Celestial Kingdom. Because if you don't, you won't get to spend eternity with Heavenly Father (and presumably Heavenly Mother). This is supposed to be some sort of "guilt trip". But what kind of dysfunctional "Father" sets up a system where the decisions and actions of their children will determine that Heavenly Mother may NEVER have any interaction with her children ever again. That is pure EVIL! And Mormons are supposed to believe in "Families are forever"?!


Yeah, why would any Christian ever become a Mormon?
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Good post, Theo. And what true father who loves his children would make his children prove themselves "worthy" of being his children, by making them go through all sorts of tests and trials to prove it?
 

kpasa

Member
The problem is that many alleged Christians are fooled by the Gnostic message of Mormonism because they are unfamiliar with or outright ignore what the Bible actually teaches. I was fooled for about three years or so, until I attended the DC temple and took part in their demonic temple rites with "signs, tokens, and penalties." It doesn't matter what is performed currently when for over a century Mormons were acting out the "signs, tokens, and penalties." What may be true for many Christians regarding the Bible may also be applied to Mormons who either are unfamiliar with what their church has taught over the years; what teachings are in their "canonized" extra-biblical writings; or just choose to ignore many of those teachings outright. Many prior Mormons actually have believed and live by many of those now ignored teachings because of the leadership of their eras.
 

Magdalena

Active member
The problem is that many alleged Christians are fooled by the Gnostic message of Mormonism because they are unfamiliar with or outright ignore what the Bible actually teaches. I was fooled for about three years or so, until I attended the DC temple and took part in their demonic temple rites with "signs, tokens, and penalties." It doesn't matter what is performed currently when for over a century Mormons were acting out the "signs, tokens, and penalties." What may be true for many Christians regarding the Bible may also be applied to Mormons who either are unfamiliar with what their church has taught over the years; what teachings are in their "canonized" extra-biblical writings; or just choose to ignore many of those teachings outright. Many prior Mormons actually have believed and live by many of those now ignored teachings because of the leadership of their eras.

I lived those demonic rites too. Mormons should seriously ask themselves why satan has a role in their “sacred” temples. And why he would want them to be obedient to mormon temple covenants. Who are they really making those covenants to? And why would satan threaten you into obedience?
 

kpasa

Member
I lived those demonic rites too. Mormons should seriously ask themselves why satan has a role in their “sacred” temples. And why he would want them to be obedient to mormon temple covenants. Who are they really making those covenants to? And why would satan threaten you into obedience?
And then there was satan's black apron and right after he explained that it had to do with powers and priesthoods (or some rubbish to that effect), the audience had to put on green aprons similar to satan's black apron. Did that mean that we were "green aprons" in evil being led by one with the "black apron" of evil? Sensei satan???
 

Magdalena

Active member
And then there was satan's black apron and right after he explained that it had to do with powers and priesthoods (or some rubbish to that effect), the audience had to put on green aprons similar to satan's black apron. Did that mean that we were "green aprons" in evil being led by one with the "black apron" of evil? Sensei satan???

Very creepy. And the part where he looks straight into the camera and says if you're not obedient to everything you agree to in the temple, you’ll be in his power.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Very creepy. And the part where he looks straight into the camera and says if you're not obedient to everything you agree to in the temple, you’ll be in his power.
Yes, very creepy indeed! But Mormons don't seem to get the irony in what Satan says...WHY would he want the participants to fulfill everything they agreed to in the temple endowment? Why would he warn them about being in his power if they do NOT? Wouldn't he WANT them to be in his power?

And those green aprons.....the participants put them on at the point in the video where Satan tells Adam and Eve to make aprons for themselves...so, the participants are actually OBEYING SATAN. Is it EVER a good idea to obey Satan, the father of lies?
 
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