Will Trump pardon himself?

ferengi

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Umm. Wrong thread. Off topic.
Shifting the burden - special pleading.
I am asking you to prove YOUR claims -
It may be possible that the universe is eternal.
It may be possible that the universe has a beginning that was uncaused.
It may be possible that the universe is self-caused.
It may be possible that the universe was caused by something else.
It may be possible that there are other possibilities not mentioned.
Temujin said:
I would say that they are self-evident.
Prove it

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Thistle

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Some individuals manage to live their lives in such a way that their membership of the human race is subsumed by their disgusting personality.
You've been rendered morally in capable of being accountable for your behavior by Trumps wickedness? If that's true you are pretty easily conquered.
Why do you think that Trump is so detested?
Because the elite in Washington and around the world are a powerful interest and they leverage their power to live far beyond what their relative talents would otherwise permit. They are rent seekers crony socialist, technocrats, and "experts" of every stripe. Trump was taking power from them and giving it back to the private sector. They believe they have the power and the moral authority to kick the American people in the teeth. They've actually convinced themselves that their greed and avarice is moral superiority. And the American people are not inclined to take it. Therefore they hate Trump and the American people. Greed and arrogance is a powerful motivator.
Yes, he is also venerated. Both sides regard the feelings of the other as unjustified, even inexplicable.
Well, I have a pretty clear memory of 50 years of news coverage in which elites have insulted ordinary Americans which makes it pretty 'xplicable to me. So we have watched the elites waging a literal four year coup and Americans have just about had it.
The bottom line is that Trump would get treated with dignity if he was prepared to treat others with dignity.
That is the biggest whopper I have ever heard. If you were capable of paying attention you would know that Trump has nothing but nice things to say about just about everyone, until such time as they attack him, and then he rhetorically pummels them.
This he has never done, in private or in public.
He treats a lot of people with a lot of dignity and respect. However many elitists with subversive intent have misrepresented themselves in order to sow chaos in his Administration and they richly deserve the consternation they ultimately earn.
As an ex-serviceman myself, I found the comments he has made about service personnel, coming as they do from a draft dodger, to be inexcusable. He has voided any shred of respect he is due.
Between misquoting, misattribution, and selective editing a lot of people believe Trump has said or meant things he did not say or mean. You have Joe Biden suggesting that Trump said there were good racists in Charlottesville. That of course is a bold faced lie. But you could find someone saying that this very moment.
The man was impeached.
Which means nothing. The only fact that was established is that Joe Biden is a crook and traitor to the United States.
He would have been charged with obstruction of justice if he wasn't president.
No he wouldn't! He would have never been maligned with that implication were he not a President under attack by the elite. Mueller's job was to charge him with every "crime" that could be proved were he not president. Ken Star returned the equivalent of eleven indictments against Bill Clinton. Mueller returned zero PROVING exactly the opposite of what you just said.
if you wish. I doubt anyone will be interested.
You are no threat to the elite so there is no avarice or greed to sustain such an enterprise against you, is there.
The reason that fraud was suspected by Trump supporters was that Trump was trailing it for months. . It simply didn't happen.
You are not a simpleton. You can't possibly believe that. The pollsters lied in 2020 exactly the way they lied in 2016. In fact that lied so ridiculously in 2020 that they ran out of runway and still had Biden out performing Trump by seven points on average by election day. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that is impossible just from what we can already glean from election results. There is no, we tried our best and just goofed up. They lied. Those polls were to discourage contributors from giving to Republicans and encouraged them to give to Democrats. And it provide an excuse for the left wing media to say what they already intended to say.
This is a fiction posted on Facebook with no evidence to back it up.
Given that it was reported in real time on election night, which I'm old enough to remember watching, further evidence is not necessary. Evidence for what I eat for breakfast is not necessary either.
Ten minutes on Google would show you what a fiction this is.
Don't trust your eyes, believe Google? Is that really your argument?
Except you won't look at it or believe it.
Seeing something with your own eyes. Is that sufficient grounds for you to hold something to be true? If Sundar Pichai told you your father was some guy you never heard of, would you believe him? Honestly!
You would much rather believe a conspiracy theory, however dark and inconceivable, than acknowledge that your man was beaten fairly. That's your problem, not reality's.
Those upwards of 72 million voters decimated the Democrats in the House of Representative. Republicans defending an extremely large number of open seats in the Senate, and didn't lose a single seat, essentially a red wave in congress, swept on Trump's loosing reelection bid? That is what you are prepared to swallow without a second thought? If it is, you are an extremely incurious person.
Not really. The results are in.
The results is what we will be given on December 14th. So no they are not.
The certification will be begin shortly. The inauguration of Biden will take place in January.
As surely as Biden will win by seven points and there will be a landslide in the congress? The left can never get it so wrong that they will doubt themselves even a little. I like that. It makes these conversations a lot more interesting.
The relevant state and federal authorities, properly constituted have declared the election fair. The Rumor Control site, run by the government, have given the lie to the conspiracy theories, including all those you have mentioned.
It is not a conspiracy theory to state that they stopped counting on election night, we all watched it in real time.
I'm sure that Trump will be polluting the airwaves for years to come, but hopefully we will be spared his malign influence on this side of the Atlantic.
There is a good reason you are on that side of the Atlantic. We ejected you.
 

ferengi

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Some individuals manage to live their lives in such a way that their membership of the human race is subsumed by their disgusting personality.
According to what objective standard? How is your dishonesty in not proving your claims "good"?
 

Thistle

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Why should any standard be objective?
If it's right for me to hit you in the head with a hammer, but it's wrong for you to hit me in the head with a hammer, that may work for me as my subjective morality, but it may not work for you. You don't agree that, that moral code could do with some more objectivity? To me it seems to lack something.
 

ferengi

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Why should any standard be objective?
I am asking you to prove YOUR claims -
It may be possible that the universe is eternal.
It may be possible that the universe has a beginning that was uncaused.
It may be possible that the universe is self-caused.
It may be possible that the universe was caused by something else.
It may be possible that there are other possibilities not mentioned.
 

Temujin

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You've been rendered morally in capable of being accountable for your behavior by Trumps wickedness? If that's true you are pretty easily conquered.
Not what I said. Trump's behaviour affects what I think of him. What I think influences how I behave, but there are other factors involved.

Because the elite in Washington and around the world are a powerful interest and they leverage their power to live far beyond what their relative talents would otherwise permit. They are rent seekers crony socialist, technocrats, and "experts" of every stripe. Trump was taking power from them and giving it back to the private sector. They believe they have the power and the moral authority to kick the American people in the teeth. They've actually convinced themselves that their greed and avarice is moral superiority. And the American people are not inclined to take it. Therefore they hate Trump and the American people. Greed and arrogance is a powerful motivator.
This powerful conspiracy, capable not only of twisting the vote tallies in several states, some controlled by Republicans, using different methods, in such a way that their influence is undetected and any evidence ridiculed, subverts the public will and ensures that Biden gets 6 million more votes than he is entitled to. And yet it completely fails to do anything about the coat tails, so that Biden is deprived of the senate majority he would need to carry out his evil agenda. Your conspiracy theory needs work. It doesn't make sense.
That is the biggest whopper I have ever heard. If you were capable of paying attention you would know that Trump has nothing but nice things to say about just about everyone, until such time as they attack him, and then he rhetorically pummels them.
and he loves kittens as and is kind to orphans. You should write his hagiography.

He treats a lot of people with a lot of dignity and respect. However many elitists with subversive intent have misrepresented themselves in order to sow chaos in his Administration and they richly deserve the consternation they ultimately earn.
The "elites" don't write his tweets for him, or his unguarded ad libs into microphones. I don't judge people by what I read other people say about them. I am judging by his own words, published and recorded.

Between misquoting, misattribution, and selective editing a lot of people believe Trump has said or meant things he did not say or mean. You have Joe Biden suggesting that Trump said there were good racists in Charlottesville. That of course is a bold faced lie. But you could find someone saying that this very moment.
Except what he said was that there were "good people on both sides" I know that. It might even be true. Walking with nazis doesn't make one a Nazi. It doesn't make you a good person either. The point is what he didn't say. He didn't condemn specific acts of racism. He didn't call out or condemn racist groups, then or ever. He clearly believed, and still does, that the far-right are his people and he wants to keep them. He is being judged by the company he keeps.

Which means nothing. The only fact that was established is that Joe Biden is a crook and traitor to the United States.
Except that hasn't been established at all. You usually appear relatively calm and rational, then you make an utterly bizarre, but revealing statement like this.

No he wouldn't! He would have never been maligned with that implication were he not a President under attack by the elite. Mueller's job was to charge him with every "crime" that could be proved were he not president. Ken Star returned the equivalent of eleven indictments against Bill Clinton. Mueller returned zero PROVING exactly the opposite of what you just said.
Are you saying that he wasn't impeached?
You are not a simpleton. You can't possibly believe that. The pollsters lied in 2020 exactly the way they lied in 2016. In fact that lied so ridiculously in 2020 that they ran out of runway and still had Biden out performing Trump by seven points on average by election day. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that is impossible just from what we can already glean from election results. There is no, we tried our best and just goofed up. They lied. Those polls were to discourage contributors from giving to Republicans and encouraged them to give to Democrats. And it provide an excuse for the left wing media to say what they already intended to say.
You really don't believe in the free market system do you? What possible incentive is there for rival polling companies, all using different systems, all seeking to be the most accurate, to all collude in giving the wrong answer? To believe this requires some industrial level paranoia.

Given that it was reported in real time on election night, which I'm old enough to remember watching, further evidence is not necessary. Evidence for what I eat for breakfast is not necessary either.
You didn't see six states all stop counting simultaneously, because it didn't happen. You will have seen states complete counting in-person votes, which favoured Trump, and start counting postal votes which favoured Biden. That is why Trump had an early lead, which was overtaken in later counting. The count took a long time because there were a lot of postal votes and the Republicans legislated to make sure that they were not counted until election night. No conspiracy needed.

Don't trust your eyes, believe Google? Is that really your argument?
Google is merely a portal. Through it you can access trustworthy and untrustworthy sites. We obviously differ about which is which.
Those upwards of 72 million voters decimated the Democrats in the House of Representative. Republicans defending an extremely large number of open seats in the Senate, and didn't lose a single seat, essentially a red wave in congress, swept on Trump's loosing reelection bid? That is what you are prepared to swallow without a second thought? If it is, you are an extremely incurious person.
Firstly this shows that the conspiracy to eject Trump is a curiously incompetent one. Secondly it shows that the Republicans are not loathed, Trump is. The life-long republicans who disavow Ed Trump, remain republicans and voted accordingly.

As surely as Biden will win by seven points and there will be a landslide in the congress? The left can never get it so wrong that they will doubt themselves even a little. I like that. It makes these conversations a lot more interesting.
You seem to be holding two contradictory positions at the same time. Either the "left" have conspired to seize power by fixing the election, or they believed the misguided hype of the pollsters and got beaten by a red wave. Not both.

It is not a conspiracy theory to state that they stopped counting on election night, we all watched it in real time.
The conspiracy theory, since debunked, is the interpretation put on what you saw. Some people see a light in the sky, and see Venus. Other people see a light in the sky and see reptilian aliens complete with anal probes.

There is a good reason you are on that side of the Atlantic. We ejected you.
You did us a favour.
 

DeSanto

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It would appear that a president has the ability to pardon him-or-herself. Whether this would survive a SCOTUS challenge is another question, but for the sake of this thread, let's assume such a pardon would be upheld.

Will Trump pardon himself before he leaves office?

Answer Yes, No or I Don't Know, and explain why.
For what?
 

DeSanto

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Not gonna answer the question? Your compatriots have been pretty reticent about it here, and it seems you're gonna stand shoulder-to-shoulder with 'em. Even though this is a discussion forum.
How can I answer if I have no idea what you’re talking about?
 

Gus Bovona

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Pardoned him of what is the question?
1. No, the original question was about evidence for the idea that you could be pardoned without being convicted, see your post #21.

2. For the question about pardoned of what, just look at the video, it's only a couple of minutes long or so. Jeez, you can't do even that after asking for evidence that anyone could Google or find on YouTube? This is not what intellectual honesty looks like.
 

J regia

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Don't be silly. WE don't know. HE presumably does. IF he thinks it necessary, then he may pardon himself.
But He would have to be charged with a crime or convicted before He could be pardoned.

Or because He worships Himself, is that similar to the Christian hypothesis that Jesus has already done the time for their crime and why they sin?
 
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