pilgrim
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As did Mary.pilgrim, I just recently showed you scripture, that shows people received salvation by faith, BEFORE Jesus died on the cross
As did Mary.pilgrim, I just recently showed you scripture, that shows people received salvation by faith, BEFORE Jesus died on the cross
Was the New Covenant in effect at that time?Put mary aside for now, and just put thought into how all those others received salvation.
Mary is very appropriate to mention at this time, because now we are seeing some inconsistencies on the part of Protestants.Put mary aside for now, and just put thought into how all those others received salvation.
According to Jesus they received salvation. Wasn't the cross necessary?No, but do notice that they were forgiven, during Jesus' ministry because He was standing right there in front of them.
The apostles were there with Him, when these people were forgiven. They witnessed the accounts, they wrote down what they had heard and seenAccording to Jesus they received salvation.
Nobody believes that Mary forgives sins.Where in Scripture does it say mary forgave sins?
Then why are you bringing mary into the conversation?Nobody believes that Mary forgives sins.
So He could look forward to His Passion and Death and apply those merits in advance.Jesus forgave people, when they believed Him long before He died on the cross
Because Mary is one of those who was saved before Jesus' death on the Cross.Then why are you bringing mary into the conversation?
She didn't do that. She just wanted to speak to her Son. Is that wrong?Matthew 12:47
While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him. 47 Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.” 48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?”
You say mary believed. Why did she and Jesus' family try to stop Him from speaking to the crowd that had gathered? And why didn't Jesus point her out to the crowd? Did He obey her wish to stop speaking to the crowd?
Paul believed.
1Cor 11:
23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
How can a mere symbol have the effect above?
A few ways. You should have started a few verses earlier.How can a mere symbol have the effect above?
I'd ask for proof but all you'll say is 'we aren't sola scriptura christians.' You have no proof because you make it up as you go. No one believes you.Because Mary is one of those who was saved before Jesus' death on the Cross.