Women Are Not To Teach From The Pulpit or In Church Media.

cjab

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he wrote to the church, once more,
1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

and in the churh of God there is neither male nor female .... so you are reproved.

:ninja:
Reproved for translating the bible accurately? That would make sense, in your case.
 

101G

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Reproved for translating the bible accurately? That would make sense, in your case.
do the first principle of God,
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

see ya.

:ninja:
 

101G

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If you can't do that, then stop preaching.
this is exactly what I been saying. not preaching, but teaching ..... :rolleyes: understand the difference

I don't have time for chit chat,

did U understand 1Cor 14:34 correctly, especially the term women? "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." as saif, the apostle was not even talking to any woman in General, but to husband who had wives.
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

Note definition #2.

PICJAG, 101G.
 

cjab

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this is exactly what I been saying. not preaching, but teaching ..... :rolleyes: understand the difference

I don't have time for chit chat,

did U understand 1Cor 14:34 correctly, especially the term women? "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." as saif, the apostle was not even talking to any woman in General, but to husband who had wives.
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

Note definition #2.

PICJAG, 101G.
And a virgin was either under the authority of her father, or her betrothed (1 Cor 7:36-38). Except for widows (likely to be in a considerable minority), there would have been no "free" women at church. But my guess it was the married women who were causing all the trouble: it usually is.
 

101G

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And a virgin was either under the authority of her father, or her betrothed (1 Cor 7:36-38). Except for widows (likely to be in a considerable minority), there would have been no "free" women at church. But my guess it was the married women who were causing all the trouble: it usually is.
GINOLJC, to all,
this has nothing to do with any virgins, married or not. the problem was with the HUSBANDS not doing their duty as required by the Law. understand, by the apostle using the term
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

he was NOT speaking about women in GENERAL, if So he would have used the term
G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) adj.
female.
[from thele (the nipple)]
KJV: female, woman

which would have covered all women married or not. but the apostle was not even speaking to any woman, but only to married women HUSBAND, the problem was not with any woman married or not speaking in the churches, but their HUSBANDS failing in their duties at HOME. and here's the scripture, 1Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

there are three key words to notice. the first one is "learn" anything, remember verse 31, "For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted". LEARN, the wife is supposed to LEARN from her husband the things pertaining to God, for he is the HEAD of the household as the Law states. and here is that Law. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Notice it said, "Rule Over", and not Rule. big difference. to rule over is to take the responsibility, to lead in the RIGHT DIRECTION. it is the husband responsibility to see to it that his wife, and if they have Childrens be educated in the things of God at HOME FIRST before going to church and speaking there and cause confusion. for God is not the author of confusion. if a husband say one thing, and a wife say another .... on rthe same subject, then there is confusion, and God is not the author of it.

so, it's the husband responsibility to teach his family the things of God ,,,,,, AT HIOME FIRST, before coming to Church. this is why the apostle said in
1Tim 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence". again, the term "LEARN" now, once she LEARN, then there is no restriction on here teaching because she and her HUSBAND are on one accord. again, this is a house setting, for the term "WOMEN" here in 1Tim 2:12 is wife. and the way we know that it is a wife, because of 1Tim 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. the only woman who supposed to be bearing children is a married one, ...... to her OWN HUSBAND. so, again this is a home problem that came into the church. and the apostle Paul was addressing it to the right person, the HUSBANDS. let your "women/wives" keep silence. your, your, so the apostle was speaking to the husband, and not women in general.

the next keyword is "shame", as in, "for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." why? any unlearn wife is a reflection on their husband who is failing in his duties at HOME by not teaching his wife the things of God. notice it's a "shame" now, instead of "keep silence", see the difference? the shame come from not knowing, as with a prophet who speak in an unknown tongue, without an interpreter is to do what? that's right "keep silence". 1Cor 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 1Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
see how the same rule apply to men also who do not follow church etiquette. man or woman the same rules apply is out of order.

the third keyword, "at home" this is all about HOME TRAINING. there is nothing more beautiful in church seeing a husband and wife on one accord. saying the same thing, acting the same way respecting each other in LOVE. a married couple is the standard bearer of the Christ and his Church. marriage is holy in the sight of God. it's an honor among people.

Hold it, let me STOP here I'm in a teaching mode and not a preaching mode,

PICJAG, 101G.
 

101G

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Also, let us add to your understanding. on the point of "keep silence". this is not any permanent band on women/wives speaking in the churches. ERROR, to "keep silence" is a temporary condition, and here's why. 1Cor 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 1Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
so, is this a permanent band on a man from speaking in the church in an unknown tongue? no, only until someone can interpret for him, or her. likewise with the woman/wife, until she LEARN at HOME, then she can speak without shame, 1Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

so, "keep silence" is not a permanent band on women/wives speaking in the churches, only until she and her husband get on one accord. meaning that he teaches her what he knows in the things of God.

this "keep silence" is in line with, "SHAME", supportive scripture, 2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


if one doesn't study, or LEARN, then they cannot rightly divide the word of truth, hence the "SHAME".

and also, one cannot have a private interpretation of any of GOD'S Holy Scriptures, if so you will suffer SHAME. this is why,
1Cor 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Cor 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
this is why prophesy is God given, test the spirit by the Spirit. 2Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I hope we're being edified.

PICJAG, 101G.
 

Bob Carabbio

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I think the reasons go deeper. Paul gives an answer:
13 For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression.

It is not dependant upon situational circumstances or customs of that day.
Except that the SOCIETY Paul is advising Timothy about taught that EVE was created FIRST, and Adam followed, consequently it was the WOMEN who had the "Spiritual POWER" and not the Men.

NATURALLY one wouldn't want Women who were raised in that paradigm to teach anything AT ALL - until they became grounded in the REAL FAITH. You find women in Jerusalem who were prophets, and possibly even Apostles.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
Except that the SOCIETY Paul is advising Timothy about taught that EVE was created FIRST, and Adam followed, consequently it was the WOMEN who had the "Spiritual POWER" and not the Men.

NATURALLY one wouldn't want Women who were raised in that paradigm to teach anything AT ALL - until they became grounded in the REAL FAITH. You find women in Jerusalem who were prophets, and possibly even Apostles.
That answer is a bit deeper...but not the complete answer.
"Except that the SOCIETY Paul is advising Timothy about taught that EVE was created FIRST,"....is that a Gnostic teaching?
 

Bob Carabbio

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That answer is a bit deeper...but not the complete answer.
"Except that the SOCIETY Paul is advising Timothy about taught that EVE was created FIRST,"....is that a Gnostic teaching?
It's from the Diana/Artimis religious system, which was common in the region, and Ephesus was the CENTER of it. One of the modern adaptations of that satanic foolishness are the Marianist heresies in the Roman Catholic system and less so in the Orthodox - which explains Why Paul wanted to avoid women (who were the Spiritual LEADERS in Ephesus) from bringing their satanic religio/cultural conditioning into the church. Obviously he wasn't successful in that effort.

So we're back into the "Wheat and the TARES" thing, which mixture will always be part of the Visible Church systems, until God sorts it out. There's been a "theory" that "Denominations" may be the "Bundles" that the Angels use to separate the "Wheat from the Chaff".
 

CrowCross

Super Member
It's from the Diana/Artimis religious system, which was common in the region, and Ephesus was the CENTER of it. One of the modern adaptations of that satanic foolishness are the Marianist heresies in the Roman Catholic system and less so in the Orthodox - which explains Why Paul wanted to avoid women (who were the Spiritual LEADERS in Ephesus) from bringing their satanic religio/cultural conditioning into the church. Obviously he wasn't successful in that effort.

So we're back into the "Wheat and the TARES" thing, which mixture will always be part of the Visible Church systems, until God sorts it out. There's been a "theory" that "Denominations" may be the "Bundles" that the Angels use to separate the "Wheat from the Chaff".
Very interesting Bob. Thank you for that.
I did a search for "Diana/Artimis religious system"....

It sounds like you're saying some of the women who followed those gods were spreading their belief in the church...and Paul said...hush up.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Very interesting Bob. Thank you for that.
I did a search for "Diana/Artimis religious system"....

It sounds like you're saying some of the women who followed those gods were spreading their belief in the church...and Paul said...hush up.
This is EPHESUS, remember - the very place where the "image" fell from Jupiter (Acts 19:35). It was a matriarchal religious system. Paul apparently had some experience coming against that system.
 

cjab

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I hope we're being edified.

PICJAG, 101G.
What are you saying, exactly? That when it means women are to keep silent, they are to keep silent only until they are granted permission to speak? In otherwords, you are limiting the whole teaching in 1 Cor 14 to women speaking out of order? Silence means ... a temporary restraint on their natural garrulousness?
 

cjab

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It's from the Diana/Artimis religious system, which was common in the region, and Ephesus was the CENTER of it. One of the modern adaptations of that satanic foolishness are the Marianist heresies in the Roman Catholic system and less so in the Orthodox - which explains Why Paul wanted to avoid women (who were the Spiritual LEADERS in Ephesus) from bringing their satanic religio/cultural conditioning into the church. Obviously he wasn't successful in that effort.
I don't think this is correct. It seems a libel on the church to think that such women could even be a part of it: if heretical doctrines were being taught, there would have been far more said that women being told to keep silent. Also the passage is 1 Cor 14.
 

cjab

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I don't think this is correct. It seems a libel on the church to think that such women could even be a part of it: if heretical doctrines were being taught, there would have been far more said that women being told to keep silent. Also the passage is 1 Cor 14.
Also, the "Roman Catholic" church as such did not exist when Paul wrote his letter, even if there was a church in Rome. Mariolatry was then no part of the Christian church.
 

101G

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What are you saying, exactly? That when it means women are to keep silent, they are to keep silent only until they are granted permission to speak? In otherwords, you are limiting the whole teaching in 1 Cor 14 to women speaking out of order? Silence means ... a temporary restraint on their natural garrulousness?
ERROR, did you not read what was set forth? listen, 1Cor 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

if no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church

now the wives,
1Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

there is the condition "IF, IF, they Learn anything", let them ask their husbands at home.

read my post again, keep silence is only temporary until a condition is meet. as in speaking in a unknown tongue, keep silence until there is an interpreter. and with wives/women keep silence until they LEARN from there husband at home. WHY?
1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

speaking in an unknown tongue, without an interpreter is "CONFUSION". and wives speaking out of order, un-learned, is "CONFUSION".

and God is not the author of "CONFUSION".

Hope that helped.

PICJAG, 101G.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Also, the "Roman Catholic" church as such did not exist when Paul wrote his letter, even if there was a church in Rome. Mariolatry was then no part of the Christian church.
AND yet the blasphemies about the Catholic Mary have been developing for millenia. ANd a NEW CHRISTIAN from a pagan background doesn't know ANYTHING about biblical truth YET - that's why we "take HIS YOKE UPON US" and LEARN OF HIM. We'll be doing that as long as we live. That Born again Christians sometimes carry FALSE THEOLOGY for a while is a simple fact. I was Born Again, and initially propagandized by the Southern Baptist Denomination. SOME of it was accurate and Biblical, and some of it was pure BS. Paul SAW the danger of Women out of that culture ignorantly spreading their traditional poison, and wanted to avoid that.

BUT HEY!!!! if you're "biblically convinced" that your women are too spiritually IGNORANT and untrustworthy to give any sort of ministry to your church, then by all means, Muzzle 'em, and let 'em have no part in your worship. Your loss, not mine.
 
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cjab

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BUT HEY!!!! if you're "biblically convinced" that your women are too spiritually IGNORANT and untrustworthy to give any sort of ministry to your church, then by all means, Muzzle 'em, and let 'em have no part in your worship. Your loss, not mine.
That isn't the reason for Paul's teaching. May be you need to read the bible some more.
 

cjab

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keep silence until there is an interpreter. and with wives/women keep silence until they LEARN from there husband at home. WHY?
1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

speaking in an unknown tongue, without an interpreter is "CONFUSION". and wives speaking out of order, un-learned, is "CONFUSION".
That is clearly not what 1 Cor 14 is saying. It is what you are saying by mixing up different passages.
 
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