Women should know there place!

[The Pixie]

That appears to be the anti-abortion message, anyway.

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Man tells abortion rights activists "your body is mine" in viral video
"You have no choice. Not your body, not your choice, your body is mine and you're having my baby," a man said in response to chants from pro-abortion protesters.

When you see stuff like this, it puts the debate into a whole different context.

See also here:

A new survey shows what really interests 'pro-lifers': controlling women | Jill Filipovic

According to their own survey responses, anti-abortion voters are hostile to gender equality in practically every aspect

www.theguardian.com

...The “pro-life” movement is fundamentally about misogyny.
A Supermajority/PerryUndem survey released this week divides respondents by their position on abortion, and then tracks their answers to 10 questions on gender equality more generally. On every question, anti-abortion voters were significantly more hostile to gender equity than pro-choice voters.
Do men make better political leaders than women? More than half of anti-abortion voters agreed. Do you want there to be equal numbers of men and women in positions of power in America? Fewer than half of abortion opponents said yes – compared with 80% of pro-choicers, who said they want women to share in power equally.
Anti-abortion voters don’t like the #MeToo movement. They don’t think the lack of women in positions of power impacts women’s equality. They don’t think access to birth control impacts women’s equality. They don’t think the way women are treated in society is an important issue in the 2020 election.
In other words, they don’t believe sexism is a problem, and they’re hostile to women’s rights. Pro-lifers are sexists in denial – yes, the women too.

I am kind of on the fence on this issue, but reading things like this push me away.

 

[Yakuda]

That appears to be the anti-abortion message, anyway.

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When you see stuff like this, it puts the debate into a whole different context.

See also here:

A new survey shows what really interests 'pro-lifers': controlling women | Jill Filipovic

According to their own survey responses, anti-abortion voters are hostile to gender equality in practically every aspect

www.theguardian.com

I am kind of on the fence on this issue, but reading things like this push me away.

By the way it should be "their" place in the title not there place.

So a guy chants something you don't like so what? The issue is bigger than that.

Technically speaking a baby is not a woman's body. The baby uses her body but that's a possible consequence of engaging in an activity that results in such a circumstance.

 

[DaGeo]

That appears to be the anti-abortion message, anyway.

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When you see stuff like this, it puts the debate into a whole different context.

See also here:

A new survey shows what really interests 'pro-lifers': controlling women | Jill Filipovic

According to their own survey responses, anti-abortion voters are hostile to gender equality in practically every aspect

www.theguardian.com

I am kind of on the fence on this issue, but reading things like this push me away.

There’s the wise Pixie pretending to be an innocent bystander again all dressed up in the bias of her selective quoting as she cites her selective sources—hoping no one will notice.
Pssssst Pixie, next time don’t come to class wearing a bright red herring suit‼️‼️😂😂🤣🤣

 

[romishpopishorganist]

That appears to be the anti-abortion message, anyway.

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When you see stuff like this, it puts the debate into a whole different context.

See also here:

A new survey shows what really interests 'pro-lifers': controlling women | Jill Filipovic

According to their own survey responses, anti-abortion voters are hostile to gender equality in practically every aspect

www.theguardian.com

I am kind of on the fence on this issue, but reading things like this push me away.

You seriously think this crazy man represents pro-lifers?

Do I judge abortion supporters by the nuts in your movement? Why do you judge pro-lifers by the nuts in ours?

Every movement is plagued with nuts and extremists. Those radicals do not represent the values of the movement.

Though---I think this man said later that he was joking because I saw the video.

The reason pro-lifers are against abortion is for one reason and one reason only: everytime a woman has an abortion, a child dies.

If it weren't for the fact that a child dies through abortion, no one would care about it. Consider: does anyone care when a woman has any other surgery?

 

[DaGeo]

You seriously think this crazy man represents pro-lifers?

Do I judge abortion supporters by the nuts in your movement? Why do you judge pro-lifers by the nuts in ours?

Every movement is plagued with nuts and extremists. Those radicals do not represent the values of the movement.

Though---I think this man said later that he was joking because I saw the video.

The reason pro-lifers are against abortion is for one reason and one reason only: everytime a woman has an abortion, a child dies.

If it weren't for the fact that a child dies through abortion, no one would care about it. Consider: does anyone care when a woman has any other surgery?

Poor Pixie is all but totally submerged in her own select kinds of bigoted bias

 

[mikeT]

You seriously think this crazy man represents pro-lifers?

Do I judge abortion supporters by the nuts in your movement? Why do you judge pro-lifers by the nuts in ours?

Every movement is plagued with nuts and extremists. Those radicals do not represent the values of the movement.

Though---I think this man said later that he was joking because I saw the video.

The reason pro-lifers are against abortion is for one reason and one reason only: everytime a woman has an abortion, a child dies.

Look...

Kudos for being reasonable and valuing common sense. You're right that extremists aren't necessarily representative of the groups they belong to, and that we should take care to avoid assuming/perceiving otherwise.

The problem is that you're in a tiny minority here. The Secular forums are awash with Christians/Conservatives posting social media videos of extremists, and then using those videos to characterize the people/groups they disagree with. Heck, it's probably been less than a week since someone here demonized atheists by pointing to Stalin or Dahmer, etc.

I recently posted something elsewhere about the problem of a group not standing up and speaking out against the extremists within it. The extent to which the group turns a blind eye to them is the same extent to which that group can be fairly characterized by them. It's nice to see you calling this person an extremist; it's a great example of how pro-lifers can help avoid being labeled misogynist.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Look...

Kudos for being reasonable and valuing common sense. You're right that extremists aren't necessarily representative of the groups they belong to, and that we should take care to avoid assuming/perceiving otherwise.

The problem is that you're in a tiny minority here. The Secular forums are awash with Christians/Conservatives posting social media videos of extremists, and then using those videos to characterize the people/groups they disagree with. Heck, it's probably been less than a week since someone here demonized atheists by pointing to Stalin or Dahmer, etc.

I recently posted something elsewhere about the problem of a group not standing up and speaking out against the extremists within it. The extent to which the group turns a blind eye to them is the same extent to which that group can be fairly characterized by them. It's nice to see you calling this person an extremist; it's a great example of how pro-lifers can help avoid being labeled misogynist.

These forums are run by fundamentalist Christians. I am a Roman Catholic, not a fundamentalist Christian.

You should realize that fundamentalist Christians are not representative of mainline Christianity. The same fundamentalists on this website are very much opposed to Roman Catholicism and everything we stand for. On the Roman Catholic boards--trust me--they do not like us anymore than they like you. As far as they are concerned we are the Church of Satan and we are going to burn in Hell with all of you abortion supporters. While we are both burning for eternity, do you like cards? I like to play cards. As far as they are concerned, we are as bad as you. As far as they are concerned, we need to be saved as much as you do. In short--as far as they are concerned, we are no better than you.

It just so happens that on the secular forums, our values align when it comes to most moral issues--like abortion. Please do not judge pro-lifers by the likes of the fundamentalists on this site.

What real pro-lifers want--is not Hell, fire, brimstone and Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff for those who have had abortions, those who perform abortions or those who support abortion. What we want is for abortion supporters to simply recognize, or otherwise open their eyes to what abortion is. If they convert to Christianity in the process, so much the better, but we just want them to open their eyes.

 

[DaGeo]

Look...

Kudos for being reasonable and valuing common sense. You're right that extremists aren't necessarily representative of the groups they belong to, and that we should take care to avoid assuming/perceiving otherwise.

The problem is that you're in a tiny minority here. The Secular forums are awash with Christians/Conservatives posting social media videos of extremists, and then using those videos to characterize the people/groups they disagree with. Heck, it's probably been less than a week since someone here demonized atheists by pointing to Stalin or Dahmer, etc.

I recently posted something elsewhere about the problem of a group not standing up and speaking out against the extremists within it. The extent to which the group turns a blind eye to them is the same extent to which that group can be fairly characterized by them. It's nice to see you calling this person an extremist; it's a great example of how pro-lifers can help avoid being labeled misogynist.

MikeT, I know what you mean—you know, about those nasty “extremists.”

I’m so busy fielding their extreeeeme idealism on this forum AND their false logic AND their false accusations—like the false innuendo and accusations posted above. The guy who wrote that comes across as a genuine extremist or at least one who know what extremism is.

Who is that guy anyway?
Let me check—-oh no, why it’s none other than my good friend mikeyT‼️‼️ Is that really you Mikey, lol, sorry—ahhh—can I get you a cup of tea or root beer—oh sheeeesh so sorry mikeyT ‼️‼️not😂😂🤣🤣😇

 

[mikeT]

These forums are run by fundamentalist Christians. I am a Roman Catholic, not a fundamentalist Christian.

You should realize that fundamentalist Christians are not representative of mainline Christianity. The same fundamentalists on this website are very much opposed to Roman Catholicism and everything we stand for. On the Roman Catholic boards--trust me--they do not like us anymore than they like you. As far as they are concerned we are the Church of Satan and we are going to burn in Hell with all of you abortion supporters. While we are both burning for eternity, do you like cards? I like to play cards. As far as they are concerned, we are as bad as you. As far as they are concerned, we need to be saved as much as you do. In short--as far as they are concerned, we are no better than you.

It just so happens that on the secular forums, our values align---as we are both anti-abortion. Please do not judge pro-lifers by the likes of the fundamentalists on this site.

What real pro-lifers want--is not Hell, fire, brimstone and Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff for those who have had abortions, those who perform abortions or those who support abortion. What we want is for abortion supporters to simply recognize, or otherwise open their eyes to what abortion is. If they convert to Christianity in the process, so much the better, but we just want them to open their eyes.

Forum demographics aside, this (re. yours) is a pro-life position I can work with; one I can accept even though mine differs from it to an extent. I've always thought that any solution to the abortion problem/dilemma is going to have to involve a position somewhere between "unrestricted abortion access any time for everyone" and "no abortions allowed ever".

The extremists and absolutists are the ones who make solving this problem very difficult.

 

[Temujin]

These forums are run by fundamentalist Christians. I am a Roman Catholic, not a fundamentalist Christian.

You should realize that fundamentalist Christians are not representative of mainline Christianity. The same fundamentalists on this website are very much opposed to Roman Catholicism and everything we stand for. On the Roman Catholic boards--trust me--they do not like us anymore than they like you. As far as they are concerned we are the Church of Satan and we are going to burn in Hell with all of you abortion supporters. While we are both burning for eternity, do you like cards? I like to play cards. As far as they are concerned, we are as bad as you. As far as they are concerned, we need to be saved as much as you do. In short--as far as they are concerned, we are no better than you.

It just so happens that on the secular forums, our values align when it comes to most moral issues--like abortion. Please do not judge pro-lifers by the likes of the fundamentalists on this site.

What real pro-lifers want--is not Hell, fire, brimstone and Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff for those who have had abortions, those who perform abortions or those who support abortion. What we want is for abortion supporters to simply recognize, or otherwise open their eyes to what abortion is. If they convert to Christianity in the process, so much the better, but we just want them to open their eyes.

As someone who has had close dealing with Roman Catholics in the past, and indeed continue to do so, I would endorse this post fully. I would add that not all Catholics are as vehement about abortion as you are, but I certainly recognise that very few are what anyone would call extremist.

 

[DaGeo]

Another

Forum demographics aside, this (re. yours) is a pro-life position I can work with; one I can accept even though mine differs from it to an extent. I've always thought that any solution to the abortion problem/dilemma is going to have to involve a position somewhere between "unrestricted abortion access any time for everyone" and "no abortions allowed ever".

The extremists and absolutists are the ones who make solving this problem very difficult.

another example of an extremist position on abortion that promotes the sadistic torture of a human life by the slow dismemberment and destruction of a human life through abortion procedure

 

[Temujin]

Another

another example of an extremist position on abortion that promotes the sadistic torture of a human life by the slow dismemberment and destruction of a human life through abortion procedure

Actually very few here, and I'm guessing that @mikeT is not one of them, advocate abortion late into the third semester in anything other than extreme circumstances. But as ever, don't let the truth hold you back.

 

[Yakuda]

Look...

Kudos for being reasonable and valuing common sense. You're right that extremists aren't necessarily representative of the groups they belong to, and that we should take care to avoid assuming/perceiving otherwise.

The problem is that you're in a tiny minority here. The Secular forums are awash with Christians/Conservatives posting social media videos of extremists, and then using those videos to characterize the people/groups they disagree with. Heck, it's probably been less than a week since someone here demonized atheists by pointing to Stalin or Dahmer, etc.

I recently posted something elsewhere about the problem of a group not standing up and speaking out against the extremists within it. The extent to which the group turns a blind eye to them is the same extent to which that group can be fairly characterized by them. It's nice to see you calling this person an extremist; it's a great example of how pro-lifers can help avoid being labeled misogynist.

They are also filled with leftist wingnuts. Oh that's redundant isn't it?

 

[Yakuda]

Actually very few here, and I'm guessing that @mikeT is not one of them, advocate abortion late into the third semester in anything other than extreme circumstances. But as ever, don't let the truth hold you back.

The truth has never stopped you

 

[Temujin]

The truth has never stopped you

No, it hasn't. That's because I have it beside me and those that seek to stop me don't have it.

Apologies for the messianic tone. All these religious types must be rubbing off on me.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

They are also filled with leftist wingnuts. Oh that's redundant isn't it?

There are leftist wingnuts who claim to be Catholic. That doesn't make it so.

For example; Joe Biden claims to be Catholic. He is--but he is wayward. Joe Biden is not in union with the Church because he supports abortion.

Thus, just as I ask the mainline abortion supporter not to judge pro-lifers by the Protestant fundamentalists on this website, so also I ask you not to judge Catholicism by the Joe Biden's and AOC's. They do not represent Catholicism or what we are about.

Lest you point to Pope Francis and Biden's relationship, lest you point to the bishops and their apparently willingness to tolerate and otherwise enable the likes of Biden or AOC, I reply: what matters is what God thinks. When we stand before God on Judgement Day, favor with the pope and bishops is not going to save us. The bishops and pope will have to answer for their ministry as well. They will have to given an account for why they refused to challenge unrepentant sinners in their obduracy. Make no mistake about that.

 

[Yakuda]

No, it hasn't. That's because I have it beside me and those that seek to stop me don't have it.

Apologies for the messianic tone. All these religious types must be rubbing off on me.

LMBO you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you with a sledgehammer

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Forum demographics aside, this (re. yours) is a pro-life position I can work with; one I can accept even though mine differs from it to an extent. I've always thought that any solution to the abortion problem/dilemma is going to have to involve a position somewhere between "unrestricted abortion access any time for everyone" and "no abortions allowed ever".

From a practical standpoint, I agree. In other words-----the best case scenario from a legislative standpoint I think pro-lifers can hope for is outlawing abortion on demand. I do not see us getting legislation through that outlaws abortion absolutely.

Thus, if abortion on demand was outlawed, while the rare cases of rape, incest or health of the mother were the exceptions, I would consider that a great victory. But this does not mean I believe abortion is morally justifiable in cases of rape, incest or life of the mother. It just means I am being practical.

Worst case scenario---the SCOTUS upholds Roe while allowing restrictions at 15 weeks. Even there, I would consider that a victory. It is better then what we have now.

The extremists and absolutists are the ones who make solving this problem very difficult.

Which is always the case on any issue.