No. He was asking if that is an example, Repentance included.
Repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin. Where you have one you will find the other.
So, are you saying that one is not saved prior to baptism?
NO. (Acts 10:43-47)
That only connects baptism with those who believe in him. Baptism = a remission of sins. You can't get it any other way.
False. Salvation by water baptism is taught in false religions and cults.
Billions of people believe in Jesus Christ and continue to walk in darkness, even devils believe.
Believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and continue to walk in darkness perhaps, but those who believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are saved (Acts 16:31) and are born of God/children of God (1 John 3:9-10) do not walk in darkness. Works-salvationists cannot seem to grasp a
deeper belief/faith which
trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (which also explains why you have so much faith in water and works). Also, in James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they
do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they
do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31)
and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who
says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In verse 11 -
But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the
children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever
does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 -
does not practice the truth) nor is he who
does not love his brother. *Notice that "
walks in darkness" and
"hates his brother" is connected with
"children of the devil."
No one receives a remission of their sins until and unless they are baptized.
False. These Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47 believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirt and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE receiving water baptism.
This is the ordinance that marks the beginning of a lifelong path to salvation. Without it, no one can enter the kingdom of God. No one.
False and false. Your so called lifelong path to salvation culminates in a "works based" false gospel.
While is true that those who do not believe will probably not get baptized, hence believing is a prerequisite for baptism, it is not a substitute.
There are many people who may believe in the existence of Christ and in historical facts about Christ, yet fail to believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved, yet get water baptized anyway because the false religion or cult they attend taught them that they must be water baptized in order to be saved. Sadly, this describes a lot of people who are "religious, but not right with God."
That just doesn't make any sense. You just made that up. If you're not going to accept baptism all the repentance in the world is not going to get you into kingdom of God.
What I explained in post #9 makes perfect sense and I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.
It is mandatory. It's not a side note. Your opinion aside. Jesus set the standard. You guys as making Jesus'words the side note. I believe it's all done to save the damned who repent at death (that's probably where baptism by sprinkling a little water came from) and to accept those that think their baptism within another church should be good enough. Frankly, your religions are religions of convenience.
Yeah, blah, blah, blah..
You all don't want to put anyone off and are in it more for the money than for the gospel.
What do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel? (Romans 1:16)
No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they have been baptised of water and of the spirit.
You just rewrote John 3:5. Jesus said, Except a man be
born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Nothing is mentioned here about baptism. I'm really not interested in your Mormon eisegesis.
In regards to the word "water" in scripture, Jesus mentions
"living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who
believes in Me, as the Scripture has said,
out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke
concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
The word "water" is also used in the Bible as an
emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is
associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the
word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.
*So to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.*
A witness of the spirit is not enough, it must be received by the laying on of hands by one having authority and that authority must come from God, not some college professor.
More Mormon eisegesis.
They received A gift of the Holy Ghost, not The gift.
No, they received THE gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 10:45 - And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because
the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. Now in addition to that, they also received the spiritual gift of tongues. We do not receive the gift of tongues, which is only for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:4-12), without first receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (indwelling, regenerating presence of the Holy Spirit). We don't receive "a" gift of the Holy Spirit until we first receive "the gift of the Holy Spirit" and these Gentiles clearly received "the gift of the Holy Spirit"
before they were baptized. To believe otherwise is to be blatantly dishonest!
Doesn't matter, most everyone receives a witness of the Holy Ghost before they are baptized. The Holy Ghost can fall on anyone it chooses when ever it chooses. The gift itself can only be received after a covenant is made to receive Christ through baptism, the watery grace (not sprinkles).
You are deceived.
Note: regardless of the illogical conclusions which are drawn here by our critics, it is obvious that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. There is no escaping that fact though our critics have made it a profession to do so. The order of events, which they seem to think is an important talking point, while it is, it's just not the issue they make it out to be. The holy ghost can fall on anyone, that's up to the Holy Ghost, not us or the people preaching the gospel. That witness has no saving value. It is not a ticket to enter heaven by itself. One must exercise faith in Jesus Christ by committing to follow him and his teachings through baptism of water and of the spirit. There is no other way.
Regardless of your Mormon eisegesis and your "works based" false gospel, man is saved by grace through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and these Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47
clearly believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues and were saved prior to receiving water baptism. Period. You can choose to remain in denial and trust in a "different" gospel of "works righteousness" that cannot save you (2 Corinthians 4:3,4; Galatians 1:6-9) or else you can repent and believe the gospel. Let me know when you are ready to believe the true gospel by
trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of your salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)