CrowCross
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Thank you for that information. It was most helpful.
I've never seen anyone here present the tritheistic view.
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I've never seen anyone here present the tritheistic view.
Common Tater
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And you won't. Adventists are very good at parsing their language in order to come across as mainstream evangelicals.. If you like, I can refer you to some of their literature, as well as youtubes of their big-name pastors referring to the Godhead as separate beings.
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From Lesson 3, Oct. 10-16, 1998 Seventh-day Adventist Sabbath School Quarterly:
"KEY THOUGHT: One of the mysteries of God's being and nature is that the Godhead consists of three divine Beings, unified in purpose and action but distinct in personality. "
Lesson 3
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Read it for yourself.
Christian SDA
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“Does the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and their prophetess Ellen G. White, teach the Biblical, orthodox doctrine of the Trinity? As we will see, the answer to that question is, "No"--despite the fact that the SDA Church now uses the term "Trinity." (As for Ellen G. White, she was careful never to use the term in all of her published writings--a remarkable feat, considering her extensive plagiarism.) The reality is that Seventh-day Adventism is actually anti-Trinitarian and teaches Tritheism (three gods), just like the Mormons do.”
“In the early days of Seventh-day Adventism, they (including their prophetess Ellen G. White) taught some form of Arianism--denying the eternality of Jesus Christ, denying the personality of the Holy Spirit, and teaching bitheism, or two gods: the eternal Father and the non-eternal Son. Eventually, "the Holy Spirit" got added into this "Godhead" as one of "three living persons of the heavenly trio"1 and one of "the three holiest Beings in heaven"2--and the current SDA teaching of Tritheism (that there are three divine beings in "the Godhead" who are "one" only in purpose, character, etc.) was born. In other words, Adventism's teaching of polytheism is foundational, fundamental, and continuing--and goes deep into the roots/foundation of Adventism, which was established by their "pioneers" (including their prophetess Ellen G. White). The SDA Church gradually adopted the use of the term "Trinity" to describe this tritheistic view of the Godhead, eventually culminating in the official General Conference session endorsement, in 1946, of a statement of beliefs that incorporated the word "Trinity."3 Beginning in 1980, the SDA Church finally stated (although, in reality, disingenuously as we'll see later) in their official statement of "Fundamental Beliefs" that Christ is "eternal."4
So while they now, officially, use the term "Trinity," in reality they deny the Trinity and actually teach Tritheism, just like the Mormons do. The Mormons will also use the term Trinity, as does modalist preacher T.D. Jakes. But that does not make any of them Trinitarian, any more than the Jehovah's Witnessess using the terms "Jesus Christ" or "Son of God" means that they believe in the real Jesus of the Bible. They have simply redefined Christian terms--and so have the Mormons, T.D. Jakes, and the Seventh-day Adventists, with regard to the term "Trinity." In fact, as we will see later on, even the SDA Church's own theologians/scholars admit that Adventism teaches a different "Trinity" doctrine than the historical, orthodox Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Now, let us explore what Adventism teaches about this essential point of doctrine.
As mentioned above, the SDA Church uses the word "Trinity" (once--as the title of belief #2) in their current official statement of 28 "Fundamental Beliefs" (although in some instances, the statement of beliefs is published with the word "Godhead" substituted for the word "Trinity"). Here is belief number 2, as found at the official SDA website (adventist.org):
At first glance many may think that this statement appears to be orthodox-sounding. But we must investigate further to see what they actually mean by this statement. Just as Mormons claim to believe in "one God" but in reality teach Tritheism, this claim by the SDAs is not enough to make them Trinitarian. The statement can make evangelical Christians believe they are orthodox, while at the same time meaning something different within Adventism. (Anyone who is familiar with Adventism knows that this is exactly what they do on many different subjects--they have their own, different definitions for Christian terms.) “
From the documentation at:
CultOrChristian.com - Does Seventh-day Adventism Teach the Trinity?
Does Adventism teach the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity? Or do they just use the term and redefine it, denying the actual doctrine? Find out for yourself.
CrowCross
Super Member
Thank you for that info. I will now classify the SDA with the other cults.
JonHawk
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"From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; ...the image of His greatness and majesty, the [Shekinah] glory." The Desire of ages, p. 19
"In Christ is life, ...He that hath the Son hath life" (1 John 5:12). [In Christ is eternal life] The Desire of Ages, p. 530
“The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — MR 14, p. 84
“The divine promised Spirit...is the very life of God [coming to us through His Son]. Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891
So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God...Eph 4:17-18
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SDAchristian
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Prologue:
AV Mt 16:24-25 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Noting: Foxe's Book of Martyrs.
Historical cover ups still in progress.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Mt 16:24-25 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Noting: Foxe's Book of Martyrs.
Historical cover ups still in progress.
No more "rank" than Sunday Keepers, and their beliefs to support a pure Sunday Keeping, by secular laws.
Yours in Christ, Michael
SDAchristian
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Not a single person can express properly the views of the entire church, except for Jesus' example in the flesh !!!
AV Hb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Jesus Christ in the flesh, is "the same yesterday" in walking on earth, "to day" walking in heaven "and forever" walking in Heaven in life eternal with all the saints.
Jesus was and still is a sabbath keeper.
Who's definition of sin, will GOD use to judge sin ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
Christian SDA
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The doctrines of the church can be rightly expressed from the statements in the fundamental beliefs and the statements concerning those fundamental beliefs made by those who are church leaders and those who are in positions that train Future pastors and church leaders.
Common Tater
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SDAchristian
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"works" not asked for by GOD's Omniscience.
We are to question everything originating with created beings.
Yours in Christ, Michael
SDAchristian
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Prologue:
AV 1C 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I assure you, read it now, before the fulfillments begin.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV 1C 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I recommend reading The Great Controversy by E. G. White for background support. There are online text versions available to read.
I assure you, read it now, before the fulfillments begin.
Yours in Christ, Michael
Ezeliel 8:16
And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and,
behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar,
were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord,
and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
SDAchristian
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And Pagans sacrificed non-believers to appease their gods. Besides the judgments of GOD, when did GOD ask for appeasement ???Sunday-keeping arose in the second century, primarily in Rome and Alexandria. According to Wikipedia, Mithraism reached the height of it popularity in the Roman Empire during the second and third centuries. Mithraism is based upon the worship of the sun-god Mithras, and followers observed Sunday as a day of worship in honor of the sun-god.10
Ezeliel 8:16
And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and,
behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar,
were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord,
and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Yours in Christ, Michael
Common Tater
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Like the writings of Ellen White?
Common Tater
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Please be more specific.
Common Tater
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This is what is known as an extra-biblical source of authority.
SDAchristian
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SDAchristian
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AV 1Jn 2:19-23 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Compared to the writings of the RCC ???
Was Jesus the Christ keeping sabbath righteousness while walking on earth ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
SDAchristian
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AV Jn 8:44-45 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.
Depends on who you want to believe. Start with Eve in the garden, and it gets worse from there.
Does your lie detector still work from the Holy Spirit ???
Yours in Christ, Michael