YHWH / Jesus Created Alone By Himself.

[Jewjitzu]

I answered your question..
note the author of Hebrews credits Jesus as God by quoting Ps 102
25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
26 They will perish, but You will [d]endure;
Yes, they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will change them,
And they will be changed.
27 But You are the same,
And Your years will have no end.

No one doubts that psalms, 102 is crediting God with creation.

Rotfl... Psalm 102 doesn't mention a son, Jesus, at all.

What does Isaiah 63:16 tell you about who YHWH and the Redeemer is? The Father.

TW, you got some homework to do. Rotfl...

 

[Towerwatchman]

No you are evading and just answer about when you said Hebrews 1 was crediting Jesus as being the creator.

Repost the questions I have not answered

 

[Jewjitzu]

Repost the questions I have not answered

You're evading my posts 📫.

 

[Nathan P]

Repost the questions I have not answered

Repost the questions I have not answered

Where you said Hebrews 1 said Jesus was the creator and it says it was he (the Father) who created through the (Word).

 

[Towerwatchman]

Rotfl... Psalm 102 doesn't mention a son, Jesus, at all.

What does Isaiah 63:16 tell you about who YHWH and the Redeemer is? The Father.

TW, you got some homework to do. Rotfl...

when I was a teenager there was this whiny girlish boy that did know that no one wants him around . You remind me of him.

 

[Jewjitzu]

when I was a teenager there was this whiny girlish boy that did know that no one wants him around . You remind me of him.

Rotfl... you get personal when you have zero defense. That's your MO.

So, do you have a defense or are you looking at yourself in the mirror 🤔 😏? Or are the eye beams blocking your view?

 

[Towerwatchman]

Rotfl... you get personal when you have zero defense. That's your MO.

So, do you have a defense or are you looking at yourself in the mirror 🤔 😏? Or are the eye beams blocking your view?

I don’t feed whiny little trolls.

 

[Nathan P]

when I was a teenager there was this whiny girlish boy that did know that no one wants him around . You remind me of him.

Like the one said Psalms 102 does not mention Jesus at all. Or you have nothing to prove your point.

 

[Jewjitzu]

I don’t feed whiny little trolls.

You can't defend yourself is the point. And your beam gets bigger.

 

[Towerwatchman]

Where you said Hebrews 1 said Jesus was the creator and it says it was he (the Father) who created through the (Word).

Like the one said Psalms 102 does not mention Jesus at all. Or you have nothing to prove your point.

Patience. I don't press you when you take days to answer me.
As to Hebrews. 1
If I am correct you are stating that
2...through whom also He made the worlds;
contradicts the idea that in the following the Father is crediting Jesus with creation.
10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Through whom ≠ creator.

But note Romans 11:36 'through Him' applies to the Father. Following your reasoning the Father is now an instrument, but of whom?
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Ro 11:36). (1982).

The explanation for 'through' is to distinguish 'from which' or 'by whom' something is created. 'From which' denotes creation emanating from the creator, and 'by whom' denotes the creator working with something that already exist. 'Through whom' denotes no prior existence of the created or the created emanating from the creator. This was to distinguish God from the pagan gods of the time.
Following the narrative, the Father addresses the Son as O Theos twice, equivalent to YHWH.

(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [O THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions...” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

As to Ps 102 it is not addressed to Jesus but to God, and credits God with creation.
25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

And that is reiterated by Isaiah
(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

But with all that said and written, the author of Hebrews under the inspiration of God states that the Father did not take credit for creation, but quotes Ps 102 and credits the Son [Jesus] as creator of all.

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[Jewjitzu]

Patience. I don't press you when you take days to answer me.
As to Hebrews. 1
If I am correct you are stating that
2...through whom also He made the worlds;
contradicts the idea that in the following the Father is crediting Jesus with creation.
10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Through whom ≠ creator.

But note Romans 11:36 'through Him' applies to the Father. Following your reasoning the Father is now an instrument, but of whom?
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Ro 11:36). (1982).

The explanation for 'through' is to distinguish 'from which' or 'by whom' something is created. 'From which' denotes creation emanating from the creator, and 'by whom' denotes the creator working with something that already exist. 'Through whom' denotes no prior existence of the created or the created emanating from the creator. This was to distinguish God from the pagan gods of the time.
Following the narrative, the Father addresses the Son as O Theos twice, equivalent to YHWH.

(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [O THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions...” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Yep, Psalm 45, the original, doesn't mention the son nor the Father talking of the son.

As to Ps 102 it is not addressed to Jesus but to God, and credits God with creation.
25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

And that is reiterated by Isaiah
(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

And YHWH and the Redeemer is proven to be the Father in Isa 63:16. Thus the creator, ie, Deut 32:6, Mal 2:10, etc.

Keep in mind Jesus was created and redeemed from the womb.

But with all that said and written, the author of Hebrews under the inspiration of God states that the Father did not take credit for creation, but quotes Ps 102 and credits the Son [Jesus] as creator of all.

False statements. Tanakh shows the Father takes credit for creation exclusively. Not a peep about the son.

 

[Runningman]

Psalms 102 says nothing about Jesus creating and they are the work of his hands when he was the Word under the guidance of the Father. Deal with Hebrews and who it says created things.

Look from who all things came? God the Father. That means the Father is the creator and the Son isn't. The rest of the Bible supports this.

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Isaiah 64
8But now, O LORD, You are our Father;
we are the clay, and You are the potter;
we are all the work of Your hand.

Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?

Matthew 5
45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

John 1
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1 Cortinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Hebrews 1
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

James 1
17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.

Revelation 4
11“Worthy are You, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for You created all things;
by Your will they exist and came to be.”

This is just a sample and it sets the precedent. When the Bible mentions God creating, it's always referring to the Father without exception, even where it doesn't specifically say Father.

 

[Towerwatchman]

Look from who all things came? God the Father. That means the Father is the creator and the Son isn't. The rest of the Bible supports this.

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Isaiah 64
8But now, O LORD, You are our Father;
we are the clay, and You are the potter;
we are all the work of Your hand.

Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?

Matthew 5
45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

John 1
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1 Cortinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Hebrews 1
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

James 1
17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.

Revelation 4
11“Worthy are You, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for You created all things;
by Your will they exist and came to be.”

This is just a sample and it sets the precedent. When the Bible mentions God creating, it's always referring to the Father without exception, even where it doesn't specifically say Father.

Another example of throw everything at it, and hope something sticks. Categorize these verses are you will see that it does not set the precedent.

 

[Runningman]

Another example of throw everything at it, and hope something sticks. Categorize these verses are you will see that it does not set the precedent.

Translation: "I don't have a Biblical response to this, but maybe I can discredit you by contradicting the verses you quoted and denying them."

 

[Towerwatchman]

Translation: "I don't have a Biblical response to this, but maybe I can discredit you by contradicting the verses you quoted and denying them."

Simple reading comprehension 101. The verses do not support your precedent.

 

[Runningman]

Simple reading comprehension 101. The verses do not support your precedent.

So the Father created nothing then? That’s your precedent?

The verses I quoted show God is the Father and the creator. You have absolutely nothing showing Jesus creating anything. Every angle you’ve taken to prove Jesus is God has failed. Now you’re resorting to just flat out denial now that you’re being shown the Bible doesn’t validate your beliefs.

How did you get to this point and more importantly why can’t you pull yourself out of the theological ditch you’re in now that you’ve been shown the truth?

 

[Towerwatchman]

So the Father created nothing then? That’s your precedent?

The verses I quoted show God is the Father and the creator. You have absolutely nothing showing Jesus creating anything. Every angle you’ve taken to prove Jesus is God has failed. Now you’re resorting to just flat out denial now that you’re being shown the Bible doesn’t validate your beliefs.

How did you get to this point and more importantly why can’t you pull yourself out of the theological ditch you’re in now that you’ve been shown the truth?

I must have missed it. I don’t read anything on this thread that proves anything wrong with the OP. Must be your imagination at work again. But if you want to give it a try be my guest. Tonight I’ll do your homework for you again,and show you where your precedent is wrong.

 

[Runningman]

I must have missed it. I don’t read anything on this thread that proves anything wrong with the OP. Must be your imagination at work again. But if you want to give it a try be my guest. Tonight I’ll do your homework for you again,and show you where your precedent is wrong.

You seem to be a glutton for punishment. I'm just going to knock down your false doctrines.

 

[Nathan P]

Patience. I don't press you when you take days to answer me.
As to Hebrews. 1
If I am correct you are stating that
2...through whom also He made the worlds;
contradicts the idea that in the following the Father is crediting Jesus with creation.
10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Through whom ≠ creator.

But note Romans 11:36 'through Him' applies to the Father. Following your reasoning the Father is now an instrument, but of whom?
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Ro 11:36). (1982).

The explanation for 'through' is to distinguish 'from which' or 'by whom' something is created. 'From which' denotes creation emanating from the creator, and 'by whom' denotes the creator working with something that already exist. 'Through whom' denotes no prior existence of the created or the created emanating from the creator. This was to distinguish God from the pagan gods of the time.
Following the narrative, the Father addresses the Son as O Theos twice, equivalent to YHWH.

(Heb 1:8–10). But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God [O THEOS}, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God [HO THEOS}, , Your God [HO THEOS}, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions...” 10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

As to Ps 102 it is not addressed to Jesus but to God, and credits God with creation.
25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

And that is reiterated by Isaiah
(Is 44:24) Thus says the Lord [YHWH], your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord [YHWH}, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;.

But with all that said and written, the author of Hebrews under the inspiration of God states that the Father did not take credit for creation, but quotes Ps 102 and credits the Son [Jesus] as creator of all.

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You see you keep going to something else when you know when you answer you will be proven wrong. I do not want to know what it says in the following yet and just answer when it says through whom he created the world and who is the he who created the world? Then through whom did the he create the world? We can get to the other points.

 

[Towerwatchman]

You see you keep going to something else when you know when you answer you will be proven wrong. I do not want to know what it says in the following yet and just answer when it says through whom he created the world and who is the he who created the world? Then through whom did the he create the world? We can get to the other points.

Instead of me guessing what you are saying. What does 'through him' mean to you?