That's what I just said. Your claim doesn't make any sense. We cannot be restored to something that we never had. We can't restore something we never lost.
we lost paradise and the nature of paradise…
and here we are.
Everyone has a narrative. Your narrative limits the number of people wearing these robes 144K (speaking from past posts).
the 144k is not limited to that number. why would they have to wear those robes?
It's pretty obvious that temples are not church buildings.
okay.
But your argument, as I understand it, is about the robes. Our argument is that there will be innumerable hosts worshiping in the temple day and night wearing white.
i don’t think the exact clothes souls may wear is all so important compared to the 144k getting to paradise soon .
who do you mean by hosts?
That doesn't fit your narrative. There are way too many people worshiping in a building that has the throne of God.
It won’t be a ‘building‘ as we know it here made of matter… since this type of perishable flesh reality is not found in heaven.
The point is, you're fixated, it appears, on the robes
it was simply that i saw the thread and that the robe theme popped up… and I understand it to be the type of body in His image in paradise that we will be restored to
and my point your view doesn't fit the description of the temple described in Revelations or the people worshiping in it.
It depends on how you read. I don’t read revelation to be only about this material reality but often about the other reality , be that past present and future. context would determine how to interpret a description.
No. I don't think so. Symbolism is intended to relate an idea. It does not have to be literal.
symbols represent something and are not pure abstractions.
The problem is separating them. Literal events and objects can also be symbolic but it doesn't always work the other way around. Like Adam's rib. That was symbolic, not literal.
actually it’s literal but a bit long to exegete and very off topic to this forum.
Adam and Eve had different bodies before the fall
man definitely had a different body before the fall and not a chimera. there was no death.
Now, it appears that you are connecting the white robes to getting our bodies (whatever they were) back.
yes, i said that they represent the glorified nature.
But I'm confused, how is that both symbolic and literal?
because man literally was in His image and literally had such a gorgeous original nature and then entered death.
(rhetorically question, no need to answer). Of course, we never had those bodies, only Adam and Eve had them as they were the only ones who supposedly had these white robes.
perhaps.
why don’t you think we had them?
The rest of us were born in these skins that God sewed to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness. So, how are we going to be restored to something we never had?
I replied already to this though not fully.
I've already argued how completely unacceptable it is not to have the body I have now. I like the body I have now and I don't want to wake up after death in some other body that I've never seen.
who said it would be entirely unrecognizable? after all christ’s resurrection body was finally recognized… though not entirely the same (lacking now any corrupt elements of mortal flesh)
I didn't know that you viewed these white robes as symbolic of getting a body we've never seen.
they are symbolic of the glorified body.. regardless of the italic part.
Even if you have a religion of one, it's still a religion.
okay.. I do feel grateful just to meet Him.
You're not alone. We all do that the best we can, even our critics do that or try to anyway.
But I really am alone except for God. i’m not criticizing you.. i do recognize how incredibly limited I am (being a human being) and I pray for all here that He brings us home and repairs us so that we are whole again instead of this suffering, illness and death. I lost interest in judging others a long time ago and it’s not my job to anyway…
But we have the Bible, within it we can find patterns of God's work. Those patterns match those found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I haven't found those patterns in any other church.
One of those patterns is the temple as viewed by John in Revelations. We actually do wear all white and we actually do worship in them day and night. They are not a once-a-week 1 hour service. They are open all the time day and night.
i believe the types and shadows have as their most urgent and important meaning the transcendent context, and reference, not this current earth but the other reality. What can be more urgent than going home to paradise? Nothing.
bible commentaries over the centuries, have shifted the context of these archetypes (thus changing the meaning) to this earth.