Your explainations please
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BJ Bear
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I think a good place to start is that the proclamation of repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His name by the faithful Apostles/disciples whose minds Jesus opened to understand the Scriptures (Luke 24:44ff.) is, "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins, etc." (Acts 2:38)
Those faithful disciples who understand the Scriptures continue to say and do likewise.
Kade Rystalmane
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Because Cornelius still needed to be saved, to be be immersed into Christ for the remission of his sins after God had shown via immersion in the Holy Ghost that the Gentiles were viable candidates for being added to the church.
Saxon
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Baptism does not save. His salvation, in this case was made known because they heard them speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues is not necessary for salvation, but salvation is needed before any one will speak in tongues.
What happened is while peter was speaking, Cornelius believed and was saved by grace through faith. He was immediately baptised in the Holy Spirit (immersed into the Holy Spirit by Jesus). Peter was following Jesus' command to baptise disciples (saved people) in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Hoy Spirit.
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Abounds
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Mark 16:16 N— “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."
Jesus says you're wrong.
Also Peter was unsure about Gentiles up until this point. That's why it was important for Peter and the circumcised believers with him saw this.
Kade has given a accurate answer.
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Saxon
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He who believes and eats a steak shall be saved. Equally accurate. The Bible says that you are misquoting Jesus and are ignoring scripture.
Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him
Hebrews 1:2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:18 forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 John 1:7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Has the blood of Jesus been forgotten? It seems that way. There is not a hint that there is any baptism involved with salvation by the grace of God.
CrowCross
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I agree. If the Holy Spirit is poured on you and you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit....I would think your saved.
Water doesn't save and is not a requirement for salvation. John 3:16 doesn't mention baptism. If water baptism was a requirement for salvation then I would expect to see a chapter or two talking about it. But, we don't.
Kade Rystalmane
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But, as you say, this is your thinking. Where does the Bible say this?
Actually, it's there. Romans 6 is a good one. Also, John 3:16 is one verse. However, just a little bit earlier in the chapter, Jesus said that for one to be reborn, they have to be reborn of water and spirit. 1 Peter 3:21 explicitly says that baptism saves. Eph. 5:26 says that we are saved by the washing of water by the Word. Etc.
Saxon
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Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Peter 3:20 which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure of baptism in water also saves us. How does it save us? Is it the water that saves or the thing that it is a figure of? It was not the water that saved the 8 persons of verse 20. It was the ark that saved them from drowning in the flood. So, baptism in water does not save the soul, but faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that which baptism is a figure of does save the soul. (See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Colossians 1:20-22)
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Colossians 1:20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
A mere figure can have no power to save, but the reality of the figure can. Peter, lest some should trust in water baptism to save the soul makes it very clear that baptism does not save one from the filth or moral depravity of the flesh. He shows it to be only the answer of a good conscience toward God, one that has been made clean by faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ (See verse 21).
It is clear here that at baptism the conscience is already supposed to be good and clean and baptism merely answers to it. As the waters of the flood could not have saved these 8 persons, had they not made use of the ark, so the water of baptism does not save the soul of anyone, but testifies figuratively to the salvation that comes by faith.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 10:9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(Dake)
CrowCross
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Pretty much in the verse that was presented. They were saved as evidenced by the Holy Spirit...then baptism followed.
There is also Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”....No mention of baptism.
Romans 10;9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.....no mention of baptism. Next verse...
For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved....once again no mention of baptism.....There's more.
There is like 4 explanations for what "water" means in that verse.
In this verse I believe water = Spirit.
Some say it is the Word of God
Some say water is embryonic fluid.
Some say it means water baptism.
Personally I wouldn't use the verse to defend water baptism is required.
It also mentions it as a symbol.
It speaks of the washing of sins of the church...by His blood. (1 John 1:7)
Your job of showing water baptism is a requirement for salvation would be easier if there actualy was a clear cut teaching of it in the bible. If it is so important...a requirement...why isn't there a chapter about it?
Saxon
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I Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Man is a trinity, spirit soul and body. (I Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.). The soul is the conscious part of the human being. (Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.) The soul gathers information and then makes decisions and initiates actions; there are two sources of input to the soul; the body and the human spirit. The body is of the earth and communicates earthly information to the soul through the five senses, sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch. God gives the spirit for the express purpose of communicating with him. God is Spirit and the human spirit is required to communicate with Spirit.
Why is it that the natural man cannot receive from the Spirit of God? …We are all in sin and spiritually dead prior to salvation. What is the remedy?
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
The concept that this passage is affirming water baptism as a means of salvation is pure assumption. Nicodemus understood it as a conversation about birth. (See John 3:4) The text does not mention or even hint of baptism. The problem with some is as soon as they see water mentioned anywhere near salvation they stop reading and start to assume.
To be born again is speaking of a second birth. The first birth is to be born of water (born of the flesh), the birth of the body. The second birth is to be born of the Spirit (John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.), to make your spirit alive so the connection between God (Spirit) and the soul can be established. When a man is born again, born of the spirit then the spiritual man can receive the things of the Spirit of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
This is the parallel:
John 3:5 born of water equates to John 3:6 born of the flesh.
John 3:5 born of the Spirit equates to John 3:6 born of Spirit is spirit.
Born of water is to be born of the flesh. This is the first birth. (“Water” surrounds the fetus before birth) Born of the Spirit is the second birth, (born again) spiritually dead to spiritually alive.
What is being born again mean? Notice what Nicodemus said, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?” He knew what being born of water was, the first birth or born of the flesh. (John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh) A second birth is another term use to describe born again; Two births are being referred to, (1) Natural birth, (2) Spiritual birth. Without the first birth there is no need of a second birth and no need for entrance to heaven.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Why do we need a second birth? Adam, a perfect man, spoke to God and God spoke to him. Adam was alive in his spirit as well as alive in his body. When Adam sinned, he died instantly. (Genesis 2:17 for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.) His spirit was dead but his body was still alive. We are all in sin and spiritually dead prior to salvation. To enter the kingdom of God we need to be born again. We need to be born of the spirit.
After our natural birth, we are all in need of being born again; the human spirit needs to be given birth. (Made alive to God.)
In the vane attempt to promote born of water to water baptism Ephesians 5:26 is at times used to support the baptism thought.
Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it (the Church) with the washing of water by the word,
Born again speaks of coming into the church, Ephesians 5:26 speaks of something happening to the church.
If you are not born again you are not part of the church and Ephesians 5:26 is of no effect to those outside the church
Born again, being part of the church, Ephesians 5:26 is of effect to only those inside the church
John 3:5 Born of water is not related to water or word in Ephesians 5:26. Born again is to become part of the Church. Ephesians 5:26 is a cleansing of the church, to clean a sinner to salvation blood is required, not water.
CrowCross
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I'm kinda glad that I don't have to support the water baptism is a requirement for salvation theology.
Abounds
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How am I misquoting Jesus. Did I not give you a passage from the bible? I think it's you who are being ignorant. Let's investigate what the word of God says about water baptism, shall we?
Here is the scripture I am Misquoting In a few versions...
[Mar 16:16 NASB95] 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
[Mar 16:16 KJV] 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[Mar 16:16 NIV] 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
[Mar 16:16 ESV] 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Shall I go on? Notice this is in fact Jesus saying this. So no. I am not Misquoting Jesus. I'd seek forgiveness for replacing his words with steak due to your own biblical error and, again eagerness to interpret the bible in some self-styled, mystified idea of your own self is quite fun.
So let's talk about replacing the words completely, but in a way that you may understand what is going on in this scripture. I notice you enjoy a good analogy. I am not really good at them, but I think I will do it better than you have so far.
[ABO 16:16 ABOLGYBIBLEOFFUN] Whoever has a computer, turn it on and you can surf the net. but whoever does not have a computer will not surf the net.
The point here being If you believe you have to be baptized, to be saved if you don't believe, you don't get baptized...makes a lot of sense right? I know I know... the Blood. But don't worry my dear friend. I can handle Your very true point. Christ's blood does atone for our sin and that's is what brings us to salvation. Yup. I do agree. I will get to that later.
Ignoring scripture let's see..Perhaps it's you who ignores the scriptures.
[Mar 16:16] 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned
[Gen 17:13-14] 13 "A [servant] who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 "But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."
Note that connection between Mark and Genisis? A SERVANT who is bought with your money SHALL SURELY be Circumcised.
Or read, a Believer who has been bought with Christ blood shall be baptized
[Col 2:11-13] 11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
Note Verse 12, not man's works, just want to get out in front of that before you start playing the "no works" game. Notice the use of flesh is also going to be consistent.
Note Paul talks about "in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." He Says clearly that in baptism we are raised up with him through the work of God. DUE to his blood as you very well pointed out. Paul draws a straight line to the resurrection as being the source of this circumcision and then repeats "When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh" or When you were dead in sin and not circumcised from your flesh (sin) by being buried with Christ through baptism, he then made us alive or no longer dead in sin...together...with him and saves us. Genisis showed above also says if you don't receive the circumcision you break the covenant. Christ's blood, the resurrection of Christ is the covenant and to be in it you get baptized. It is the work of God.
Now onto more scripture, you ignore.
[Gen 9:15] 15 and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Interesting.... What's this about Peter?
[1Pe 3:18 ] 18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, [the] just for [the] unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
[1Pe 3:20-21 ] 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through [the] water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
If we read peter he references water now saving, were before God used it to destroy all flesh, literally kill people also while only keeping 8 alive. He says it now SAVES you. Of course, he does, who else said that? is Peter misquoting Jesus too? He must be...
[Mar 16:16] 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned
Nope, seems he is still that solid rock.
Dear Saxon Paul has more to tell you.
[Rom 6:3] 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Jesus atoning blood is applied through baptism. It's still mind-blowing you think Jesus just wildly threw baptism in the mix. Of course, he wants you to get baptized to be saved. His apostles have made it clear why.
[Act 22:16] 16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'
[Rom 6:4-6] 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with [Him] in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [in the likeness] of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with [Him,] in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
Dont forget....though again I am sure its just a misquote...
[Mat 28:19] 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
You like when he says this...but not..
[Mar 16:16] 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned
I encourage you to actually study baptism, and stop trying to avoid the reality of its necessity.
Just to reiterate
[ABO 16:16 ABOLGYBIBLEOFFUN] Whoever has a computer, turn it on and you can surf the net. but whoever does not have a computer will not surf the net.
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rossh
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well, why NOT ? If you do not want to read the full context then so be, it does not make it false because of you not wanting to know the full truth of it... It clearly states that it is the Holy Spirit of God that fell upon them all.
Acts 10:
42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Paraphrasing Gods Word is deadly and a deadly sin against His Holy Word
Abounds
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What on earth are you referring to?, Did you quote the wrong post?!?! I did read the whole context what am I paraphrasing?
Begone
Abounds
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[1Pe 3:21 NIV] 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
[1Pe 3:21 ESV] 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
[1Pe 3:21 NKJV] 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
[1Pe 3:21 NASB95] 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Stick to the KJV where you can misuse figure? The meaning of "figure" is a person or event in the Old Testament that becomes reality in the New Testament. An example of this is the manna from the Old Testament is a figure to the Eucharist in the New Testament and today.
| “The like figure” | ἀντίτυπον | Corresponding ("antitype"), i.e., a representative, counterpart |
Nice try though.
rossh
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You know what para phrasing is, it is using your own words against the actual Word of God, that's what I am talking about.. No need to get upset, billions do it. They read a passage of Gods Word and then, " try to to think about what God is saying, and come up with their own personal take on issues.. " I always pray for Gods help on the passages in the Bible, before I read scripture.
Abounds
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what am I paraphrasing?!?!? where?!?! you sound like an insufferable clown. "I alWays Pray sO i KNow ExaCTly WhatS uP, yOU dONT" Grow up. You are likely wrong, and probably use this paraphrasing argument all the time...but! don't worry! you know "for sure" cuz...you (no one else) pray to God before your dead the bible...got it.
Saxon
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You said that Jesus said I was wrong. I doubt that very much!
You are not noticing that it says that those that disbelieve shall be condemned. It says nothing about being not baptised condemning you.
Women get baptized but they didn't get circumcised. Where are you going with that?
Again, women get baptized but they didn't get circumcised. Where are you going with that?
God was raising him from the dead, which is symbolized in baptism.
I will add more to another post.
I will add more to another post.
Acts 2:21 and it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
We were saved before we were burried with him Salvation is always before baptism because we are saved by grace; not baptism.
For by a virtue coming from God, the unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification are you saved and that not of yourselves it is the voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation not of performance of moral or religious acts lest any man should boast.
You make the disciples (believers) then you baptise the believers.
I encourage you to study the word "grace" and see that there is nothing to save you but grace.
Saxon
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FOR ABOUNDS.
Baptism into Christ is not water baptism.
Baptism into One Body (Christ):
I Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Candidate... One being baptized.... We (Believers).
Agent... One to do the baptizing.... Holy Spirit
Element... In what the candidate is to be baptized.... One Body. (The body of Christ)
The Holy Spirit baptizes the believer into Christ, into his body at repentance and the new birth. (The indwelling of the Holy Spirit also occurs at this baptism)
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (like putting on a full length coat with a hood. "in Christ")
1 Peter 3:20 which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure of baptism in water also saves us. How does it save us? Is it the water that saves or the thing that it is a figure of? It was not the water that saved the 8 persons of verse 20. It was the ark that saved them from drowning in the flood. So, baptism in water does not save the soul, but faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that which baptism is a figure of does save the soul. (See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Colossians 1:20-22)
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Colossians 1:20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
A mere figure can have no power to save, but the reality of the figure can. Peter, lest some should trust in water baptism to save the soul makes it very clear that baptism does not save one from the filth or moral depravity of the flesh. He shows it to be only the answer of a good conscience toward God, one that has been made clean by faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ (See verse 21).
It is clear here that at baptism the conscience is already supposed to be good and clean and baptism merely answers to it. As the waters of the flood could not have saved these 8 persons, had they not made use of the ark, so the water of baptism does not save the soul of anyone, but testifies figuratively to the salvation that comes by faith.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 10:9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Baptism into Christ is not water baptism.
Baptism into One Body (Christ):
I Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Candidate... One being baptized.... We (Believers).
Agent... One to do the baptizing.... Holy Spirit
Element... In what the candidate is to be baptized.... One Body. (The body of Christ)
The Holy Spirit baptizes the believer into Christ, into his body at repentance and the new birth. (The indwelling of the Holy Spirit also occurs at this baptism)
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (like putting on a full length coat with a hood. "in Christ")
1 Peter 3:20 which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure of baptism in water also saves us. How does it save us? Is it the water that saves or the thing that it is a figure of? It was not the water that saved the 8 persons of verse 20. It was the ark that saved them from drowning in the flood. So, baptism in water does not save the soul, but faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that which baptism is a figure of does save the soul. (See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Colossians 1:20-22)
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Colossians 1:20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
A mere figure can have no power to save, but the reality of the figure can. Peter, lest some should trust in water baptism to save the soul makes it very clear that baptism does not save one from the filth or moral depravity of the flesh. He shows it to be only the answer of a good conscience toward God, one that has been made clean by faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ (See verse 21).
It is clear here that at baptism the conscience is already supposed to be good and clean and baptism merely answers to it. As the waters of the flood could not have saved these 8 persons, had they not made use of the ark, so the water of baptism does not save the soul of anyone, but testifies figuratively to the salvation that comes by faith.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 10:9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.