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Why are baptists so immoral?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Rejoran View Post
    I'm thinking that it has to do more with another part of their belief system, than OSAS. From what I have seen, and Baptists, correct me if I'm wrong, Baptist churches focus on the fact that people are sinners, more than they do on specific sins. They don't get in people's faces over sins like lust, greed, anger, resentment, and pride. At altar calls, they don't do like John the Baptist did but calling out specific sins. At altar calls they don't say things like "You cheating your employees is what put Jesus on the cross", "You holding a grudge against your cousin for stealing from you is what put Jesus on the cross", "You lusting after your coworker is what put Jesus on the cross", "You stealing cable and cheating on your taxes is what put Jesus on the cross", "Your laziness, your fits of rage, your overeating, and lack of concern for the needy is what put Jesus on the cross!". They say things like, "You must realize that you are a sinner and that Jesus died for you to be saved." I don't think most people have trouble recognizing that they are sinners, that they would have to be convinced of that Romans 3:23. It's a lot harder for people to be confronted with their specific sins. And after a person is allegedly saved, there's little to no accountability. It's all done at a community level. Baptists don't follow scriptures like
    Hebrews 3:12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.

    They typically don't go beyond "the sinner" and deal with "the sin". And since the Baptist leadership doesn't make this an expectation, this leaves room for a lot of sin to go unaddressed and struggles to go unsupported. Granted, everyone has individual responsibility before God, but the Bible does have a lot of one another scriptures (e.g. - Hebrews 10:24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,)

    This is from my experience and from others I've spoken to. I do not say this applies to every single Baptist congregation, but it is my guess that what I described is the norm.
    The founder of your Cult ( Alexander Campbell ) said the following and you want to come in here and tell what’s wrong with Baptists.....really ?

    "No person on earth believed that the Messiah would die a sin offering or rise from the dead, from Eve to Mary Magdalene. "
    C. B., vol. 6, p. 217


    No conviction,No conversion
    John 16:8
    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

      The founder of your Cult ( Alexander Campbell ) said the following and you want to come in here and tell what’s wrong with Baptists.....really ?

      "No person on earth believed that the Messiah would die a sin offering or rise from the dead, from Eve to Mary Magdalene."
      C. B., vol. 6, p. 217
      You know that I don't speak for Campbell. Why bring him up? Neither do I support that he owned slaves.

      John Smyth Founder of the Baptist Church would not allow the reading of the Bible during worship on the grounds that a translation was "...the work of a mans wit...& there not to be brought into the worship of God to be reason.", but modern Baptists don't follow that.
      Last edited by Rejoran; 01-01-19, 08:12 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

        Tell us how you Campbellites do it .
        If you're willing to refer to us in a non-derogatory fashion, I'll be happy to have a discussion on it.

        I said at the beginning, Baptists correct me if I'm wrong, as that is my experience. They are more than welcome to do so.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rudder View Post

          There is much of Baptist doctrine with which I do not agree as a Catholic, but I have not seen that Baptists are any more immoral, prideful, arrogant or judgmental than any other people. Many are very good Christian folks.
          Agreed.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rejoran View Post
            You know that I don't speak for Campbell. Why bring him up? Neither do I support that he owned slaves.

            John Smyth Founder of the Baptist Church would not allow the reading of the Bible during worship on the grounds that a translation was "...the work of a mans wit...& there not to be brought into the worship of God to be reason.", but modern Baptists don't follow that.
            *...into the worship of God to be be read."
            Last edited by Rejoran; 01-01-19, 08:58 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Rejoran View Post
              *...to be read."
              Somebody lied to You concerning who founded the Baptist Church.

              Another heretic statement the founder of your Cult made :

              Alexander Campbell : There was no Jesus, no Messiah, no Christ, no Son of God, no Only Begotten, before the reign of Augustus Cesar.

              No conviction,No conversion
              John 16:8
              And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                Somebody lied to You concerning who founded the Baptist Church.

                Another heretic statement the founder of your Cult made :

                Alexander Campbell : There was no Jesus, no Messiah, no Christ, no Son of God, no Only Begotten, before the reign of Augustus Cesar.
                So the things that you cite are true and the things that I cite are not?

                It is widely held that John Smyth joined with the Anabaptists and began the Baptist Church around 1609. You can look that up just about anywhere.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Rejoran View Post
                            So the things that you cite are true and the things that I cite are not?

                            It is widely held that John Smyth joined with the Anabaptists and began the Baptist Church around 1609. You can look that up just about anywhere.
                            Widely held by the enemies of the Baptists.......You even say he was aligned with the Anabaptists they can be traced way way back.

                            On the other hand the founder of your cult started not too long ago.

                            Your Founder certainly tells us about Baptists origins :

                            "The Baptists can trace their origin to apostolic times, and can produce unequivocal testimony of their existence in every century can be produced."
                            (Campbell's Debate with Walker).
                            No conviction,No conversion
                            John 16:8
                            And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                              Widely held by the enemies of the Baptists.......You even say he was aligned with the Anabaptists they can be traced way way back.

                              On the other hand the founder of your cult started not too long ago.

                              Your Founder certainly tells us about Baptists origins :

                              "The Baptists can trace their origin to apostolic times, and can produce unequivocal testimony of their existence in every century can be produced."
                              (Campbell's Debate with Walker).
                              I don't think Wikipedia and other generic search engines are enemies of the Baptists. I certainly am not. There may have been people who held to Baptist beliefs before the Baptist church itself was an entity, but a number of their defining beliefs certainly don't have documented evidence back to the first century. And it seems you're presenting ad hoc arguments, attacking the presenter instead of addressing the subject matter. Would you like to address what I actually said in my original post on this thread or provide documentation as to the origin of the Baptist church instead of just telling me I'm wrong?
                              Last edited by Rejoran; 01-01-19, 10:21 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rejoran View Post
                                I don't think Wikipedia and other generic search engines are enemies of the Baptists. I certainly am not. There may have been people who held to Baptist beliefs before the Baptist church itself was an entity, but a number of their defining beliefs certainly don't have documented evidence back to the first century. And it seems you're presenting ad hoc arguments, attacking the presenter instead of the subject matter. Would you like to address what I actually said in my original post on this thread or provide documentation as to the origin of the Baptist church instead of just telling me I'm wrong?
                                The Words of your cults founder on this should suffice.

                                Hence it is that the Baptist denomination, in all ages and in all centuries, has been, as a body. the constant asserters of the rights of man and of liberty of conscience.” (Campbell on Baptism, p. 409.)

                                Alexander Campbell says: “It was for having his brother’s wife in his brother’s lifetime which procured a rebuke to Herod from the first Baptist preacher. (Alexander Campbell: Christian Baptist, Vol. VI., p. 70).

                                Alexander Campbell: "The Baptist denomination in all ages and all countries has been, as a body, the constant asserters of the rights of man and the liberty of conscience. They have often been persecuted by Pedobaptists; but they never politically persecuted, though they have had it in their power."
                                (Alexander Campbell on Baptism, p. 409, editions 1851, 1853).

                                "Clouds of witnesses attest the fact, that before the reformation from ******, and from the apostolic age, to the present time, the sentiments of Baptists, and the practice of Baptism have had a continuous chain of advocates, and public monuments of their existence in every century can be produced ."
                                (Campbell - McCalla Debate, p. 378).

                                I have used your leader as a reference.....what more could I do .......HE IS CERTAINLY NOT A BIASED SOURCE.

                                No Baptist sources were cited......as I said somebody lied to you about this subject .




                                No conviction,No conversion
                                John 16:8
                                And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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