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Just A Quick Question For The Alcoholic Wine At The Supper Users

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    Matthew 26:28
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Did Jesus say the cup was HIS blood being shed for a sacrifice for sins . ........or am I misunderstanding Christ ?
    No conviction,No conversion
    John 16:8
    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

  • #2
    Originally posted by Bigboy View Post
    Matthew 26:28
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Did Jesus say the cup was HIS blood being shed for a sacrifice for sins . ........or am I misunderstanding Christ ?
    V29 -I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine,

    Obviously, then, it WASN'T "HIS BLOOD AT ALL" - but only wine, a symbolic activity to be done in remembrance of HIM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

      V29 -I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine,

      Obviously, then, it WASN'T "HIS BLOOD AT ALL" - but only wine, a symbolic activity to be done in remembrance of HIM.
      Obviously. But the cup represented his blood that was to be shed for sins ? A sacrifice ?
      No conviction,No conversion
      John 16:8
      And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

        Obviously. But the cup represented his blood that was to be shed for sins ? A sacrifice ?
        Just a "symbolic activity" in remembrance, as the Bible states 1 Cor 11:25. Not a "Sacrifice" at all. There was only ONE of them.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          Just a "symbolic activity" in remembrance, as the Bible states 1 Cor 11:25. Not a "Sacrifice" at all. There was only ONE of them.
          Symbolic of Christís blood sacrifice. Yes agreed.

          What about other alcoholic wine promoters......do you agree with Bobby and me ?
          No conviction,No conversion
          John 16:8
          And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bigboy View Post
            Matthew 26:28
            28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

            Did Jesus say the cup was HIS blood being shed for a sacrifice for sins . ........or am I misunderstanding Christ ?
            Anymore alcohol promoters ......where did you guys go ?
            No conviction,No conversion
            John 16:8
            And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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            • #7
              How about the Catholis and the Lutherans who like to pop in and voice your opinion .......speak up.

              Any Baptists gonna speak up ?
              No conviction,No conversion
              John 16:8
              And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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              • #8
                Since you ask, as a Catholic, my answer would be that the consecrated host and consecrated wine constitute a Sacrament and are the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. I understand that you would not agree.
                "Whenever I'm asked why Southern writers ...[write] about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one." O'Connor

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                  Anymore alcohol promoters ......where did you guys go ?
                  For what it's worth - Thomas Bramwell Welch was a Wesleyen Methodist Minister that engineered the production of NON-Alcoholic Communion materials - since Wesleyan Methodists were dead set opposed to alcoholic beverages INCLUDING and specifically as communion media. SO "Dr. Welch's Unfermented Wine" was used, and grew into commercially successful: Welsh's grape juice.

                  The RAISED center portion of the typical communion tray is alternately used for the "Real stuff" in cases where the church uses Welch's for communion, but has folks that strongly believe that REAL WINE is "Biblically required" -

                  OR in cases where REAL WINE is used in Communion, the center portion is Welch's for those who are alcoholics, and MUST stay away from fermented products.

                  In Most cases among evangelicals, it's ALL Welch's.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bigboy View Post
                    Matthew 26:28
                    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

                    Did Jesus say the cup was HIS blood being shed for a sacrifice for sins . ........or am I misunderstanding Christ ?
                    Ok.......the wine is either symbolic of Christs blood (as I believe ) or it is the real blood as some groups believe .

                    The Symbol should represent the reality as Close and accurately as possible.

                    . For the groups who think it is the actual blood......BOTH sides have a problem IF they use Alocholic wine.

                    Exodus 34:25
                    25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

                    Alcoholic wine has had LEAVEN in it...........which is a Direct Violation of this verse.

                    What say you wine promoters ?



                    No conviction,No conversion
                    John 16:8
                    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                    • #11
                      Are any of you alcoholic wine promoters going to explain this ?
                      No conviction,No conversion
                      John 16:8
                      And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bigboy View Post
                        Are any of you alcoholic wine promoters going to explain this ?
                        Bump
                        No conviction,No conversion
                        John 16:8
                        And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                        • #13
                          'They' could jump up and down with glee trying to say since Jesus said "My Words Are SPIRIT...." (they could try to make that as if "spirits" of wine talk) ......
                          but those disciples who THOUGHT IN ERROR they would have to drink Jesus' blood physically,
                          they left Him (before He Explained to His Faithful Followers that His Words were Spirit and Life) because they knew all their lives that that(drinking any blood) was a transgression punishable by death.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bigboy View Post
                            Matthew 26:28
                            28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

                            Did Jesus say the cup was HIS blood being shed for a sacrifice for sins . ........or am I misunderstanding Christ ?
                            Ok.......the wine is either symbolic of Christs blood (as I believe ) or it is the real blood as some groups believe .

                            The Symbol should represent the reality as Close and accurately as possible.

                            . For the groups who think it is the actual blood......BOTH sides have a problem IF they use Alocholic wine.

                            Exodus 34:25
                            25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

                            Alcoholic wine has had LEAVEN in it...........which is a Direct Violation of this verse.

                            What say you wine promoters ?

                            Some of you need to repent for directly violating Godís command.

                            Some of you need to repent for even suggesting wine be used....... in direct disobedience to Godís command.

                            Some of you Baptists outta grow a spine and take a stand on Godís word !

                            Now who is on the Lordís side ?
                            No conviction,No conversion
                            John 16:8
                            And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                              Ok.......the wine is either symbolic of Christs blood (as I believe ) or it is the real blood as some groups believe .

                              The Symbol should represent the reality as Close and accurately as possible.

                              . For the groups who think it is the actual blood......BOTH sides have a problem IF they use Alocholic wine.

                              Exodus 34:25
                              25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

                              Alcoholic wine has had LEAVEN in it...........which is a Direct Violation of this verse.

                              What say you wine promoters ?

                              Some of you need to repent for directly violating God’s command.

                              Some of you need to repent for even suggesting wine be used....... in direct disobedience to God’s command.

                              Some of you Baptists outta grow a spine and take a stand on God’s word !

                              Now who is on the Lord’s side ?
                              Good morning Bigboy,

                              Since the appeal is made to (Ex. 34:25), shouldn't it be understood that wine is not an element of the Passover meal? The elements of the Passover meal were the lamb, unleavened bread, and the bitter herbs (Ex. 12:8). Therefore, the blood in context speaks of the blood of the lamb, and the leaven of the bread (unleavened).

                              I'm not an "alcoholic" wine advocate... It just seemed interesting to me that you asserted that using wine is in direct disobedience to a command that has no wine. I understand the wine and leaven implications and the point you're making, but it seems outside of the scope and context of the passage to assert that real wine is a direct violation of the specific verse you cited.

                              Kind regards,
                              Dave
                              Let not conscience make you linger
                              Nor of fitness fondly dream
                              All the fitness He requires
                              Is to feel your need of Him

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