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  • Truth7t7
    started a topic Where Is Calvary Chapel Heading?

    Where Is Calvary Chapel Heading?

    Christianity Today Has A Good Article?

    It Appears To Me That "Brian Broderson" Wants The Whole 1700 Church Enchilada, He Has Started A New Conference CCGN splitting away from The Historical CCA ?

    Historical CCA : "Calvary Chapel Association" appears that 11 Calvary Chapel Pastors Are The "Council"

    New Brian Broderson CCGN: "Calvary Chapel Global Network"

    It Appears That The Shaking Up Is In Progress, Who Will Move To The CCGN & Who Will Stay With The CCA Is To Be Seen, Brian Broderson Against The Big Names In The CCA Raul Ries, David Rosales, Jeff Johnson, Lloyd Pulley, Jack Hibbs, Don Mcclure, Mike Macintosh?

    I Think The Majority Will Stay CCA Time Will Tell, It Appears To Me That Brian Broderson Does Not Want To be accountable To The Historical Group?

    Roman Catholicism & Calvary Chapel, Purpose-Driven Movement?

    A Good Read, A Letter To Chuck Smith From Roger Oakland, Calvary Chapel Falling From Within?

  • cas07
    replied
    Originally posted by JAG View Post


    Since we're not talking about the same subject and since we're not on the
    same page because we're not even in the same book -- rather you seem to
    desire to make posts on a variety of unrelated subjects, therefore let me
    offer this post to you for your reading enjoyment:


    I believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is, seen and unseen.

    I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, light from light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    of one Being with the Father;
    through him all things were made.

    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
    and became truly human.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again
    in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

    He will come again in glory to judge the living and
    the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in the blessed Holy Trinity.
    One God manifest in three distinct Persons,
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    I believe in one holy universal and apostolic Church.

    I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    I look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. In the name of the Father,
    and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen and amen.

    I love this creed

    Leave a comment:


  • inertia
    replied
    Originally posted by JAG View Post


    Since we're not talking about the same subject and since we're not on the
    same page because we're not even in the same book -- rather you seem to
    desire to make posts on a variety of unrelated subjects, therefore let me
    offer this post to you for your reading enjoyment:


    I believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is, seen and unseen.

    I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, light from light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    of one Being with the Father;
    through him all things were made.

    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
    and became truly human.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again
    in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

    He will come again in glory to judge the living and
    the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in the blessed Holy Trinity.
    One God manifest in three distinct Persons,
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    I believe in one holy universal and apostolic Church.

    I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    I look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. In the name of the Father,
    and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen and amen.

    Calvary Chapel Albuquerque resembles this remark.

    " Historic Witness

    We Believe in what is termed the Apostles' Creed as embodying the fundamental facts of Christian faith.

    I believe in God, the Father almighty,
    Creator of heaven and earth.

    I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
    who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
    and born of the Virgin Mary.
    He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, died, and was buried;
    He descended into hell.
    The third day He rose again from the dead.
    He ascended to heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
    From there He will come to judge the living and the dead.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit,
    the holy universal church,
    the communion of the saints,
    the forgiveness of sins,
    the resurrection of the body,
    and the life everlasting.

    "
    Reference: http://www.calvaryabq.org/churchinfo_whatwebelieve.asp

    Leave a comment:


  • JAG
    replied
    Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
    The Statement Of Faith Is What I Believe
    Great! That means we are brothers in the Lord Jesus.

    Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
    However This Has Nothing To Do With The Facts Presented
    Yeah I know! I told you that before I wrote it. I did that because your
    post 5, which was supposed to be a response to my post 4, has nothing
    to do with the subjects of my post 5.

    Remember I said this:

    "Since we're not talking about the same subject and since we're not on the
    same page because we're not even in the same book -- rather you seem to
    desire to make posts on a variety of unrelated subjects, therefore let me
    offer this post to you for your reading enjoyment:"__JAG






    Leave a comment:


  • Truth7t7
    replied
    Originally posted by JAG View Post


    Since we're not talking about the same subject and since we're not on the
    same page because we're not even in the same book -- rather you seem to
    desire to make posts on a variety of unrelated subjects, therefore let me
    offer this post to you for your reading enjoyment:


    I believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is, seen and unseen.

    I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, light from light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    of one Being with the Father;
    through him all things were made.

    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
    and became truly human.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again
    in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

    He will come again in glory to judge the living and
    the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in the blessed Holy Trinity.
    One God manifest in three distinct Persons,
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    I believe in one holy universal and apostolic Church.

    I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    I look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. In the name of the Father,
    and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen and amen.

    The Statement Of Faith Is What I Believe

    However This Has Nothing To Do With The Facts Presented

    Truth7t7

    Leave a comment:


  • JAG
    replied
    Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

    I Don't Believe The Mega Churches Represent Gods Truth, Joel Olsteen, John Hagee, Greg Laurie, Etc

    I Believe Scripture Is True In The Rich Man & The Needles Eye

    Luke 18:25KJV
    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    You would like to see huge annual budgets, for various things?

    However The Mega Churches See Huge Pastoral Bank Accounts, Mansions, Jets, They Run From Acts 4:34-35


    Acts 4:34-35King James Version (KJV)
    34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
    35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

    TBN Private Jets, Mansions

    TBN Jan, Paul, Matthew Crouch, Mansions Lavish Lifestyle, Paul Is Now Deceased, Did He Make It Through The Needles Eye

    Greg Laurie, Its Ok For Greg To Possess Millions, Read It

    Don't Forget The Harley Collection


    15 Christian Leaders That Make More Money Getting Out Of Bed Than You’ll Make All Year

    John Hagee Mansion, I Mean Church Parsonage

    Joel Osteen $55,000,000.00 WOW!

    Benny Hinn $45,000,000.00

    Since we're not talking about the same subject and since we're not on the
    same page because we're not even in the same book -- rather you seem to
    desire to make posts on a variety of unrelated subjects, therefore let me
    offer this post to you for your reading enjoyment:


    I believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is, seen and unseen.

    I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, light from light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    of one Being with the Father;
    through him all things were made.

    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
    and became truly human.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day he rose again
    in accordance with the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

    He will come again in glory to judge the living and
    the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in the blessed Holy Trinity.
    One God manifest in three distinct Persons,
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    I believe in one holy universal and apostolic Church.

    I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    I look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. In the name of the Father,
    and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen and amen.


    Leave a comment:


  • Truth7t7
    replied
    Originally posted by JAG View Post

    I agree with all that at least in the spirit of what I believe you are saying.

    I don't know what you mean by "not a part of buildings." Just for argument's sake
    lets say you have 300 Christian families, each with a husband and wife and each
    family has three offspring ages 1 to 24. That's 600 adults and 900 offspring. Lets
    say there are 1000 other people in the church who are either aunts or uncles or
    cousins or friends That's a total of 2,500 people. I know you know this, but I'm
    gonna make the point anyway. Those 2,500 cannot meet in the middle of Farmer
    John's field and survive as a local church --- pouring down rain, freezing cold,
    human nature, etc

    They need a building and hopefully a very large one that can accommodate a lot
    of growth --- long live the Lord's Great Commission --- . . . And I would love for their
    Christian Church building to be very nice with large spacious Sunday School rooms,
    and very cold blowing Air Conditioning throughout.

    I would like for them tp have a HUGE $$$$$$$ annual dollar budget so they can fund:

    ♦ Foreign Missions of their denomination.

    ♦ The Lord's Great Commission (to go and "disciple the nations") generally in other areas

    ♦ Samaritan's Purse

    ♦ The Gideon's International

    ♦ Compassion International

    ♦ Their Own Local Christian Church Expansion. They're 2,500 now. They live, say, in a
    city of 2,000,000 --- so hopefully before long that can sell their existing church building
    for which they paid $12,000,000 --- sell it to another Christian Church in that city who needs
    a larger building, and then these original 2,500 can go build an even LARGER and
    MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE Christian Church building to support their ever-increasing
    growth. (The Lord Jesus died for PEOPLE --- therefore a Christian Church with
    LARGE NUMBERS of PEOPLE pleases God. So hopefully their new Christian Church
    building will cost $20,000,000 because it NEEDS to be that big to accommodate the new
    growth and so soon there will be 4,500 PEOPLE, instead of merely 2,5000, attending their
    church every week.

    Does all that sound like something that thrills your heart? And something that you would
    love to help support?


    I Don't Believe The Mega Churches Represent Gods Truth, Joel Olsteen, John Hagee, Greg Laurie, Etc

    I Believe Scripture Is True In The Rich Man & The Needles Eye

    Luke 18:25KJV
    For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    You would like to see huge annual budgets, for various things?

    However The Mega Churches See Huge Pastoral Bank Accounts, Mansions, Jets, They Run From Acts 4:34-35


    Acts 4:34-35King James Version (KJV)
    34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
    35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

    TBN Private Jets, Mansions

    TBN Jan, Paul, Matthew Crouch, Mansions Lavish Lifestyle, Paul Is Now Deceased, Did He Make It Through The Needles Eye

    Greg Laurie, Its Ok For Greg To Possess Millions, Read It

    Don't Forget The Harley Collection


    15 Christian Leaders That Make More Money Getting Out Of Bed Than You’ll Make All Year

    John Hagee Mansion, I Mean Church Parsonage

    Joel Osteen $55,000,000.00 WOW!

    Benny Hinn $45,000,000.00
    Last edited by Truth7t7; 07-23-17, 06:22 PM.

    Leave a comment:


  • JAG
    replied
    Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
    There Is One Christian Organization "The Church" this encompasses individuals
    in many places around the world, that are not a part of buildings and mega schemes
    $$$$$$
    I agree with all that at least in the spirit of what I believe you are saying.

    I don't know what you mean by "not a part of buildings." Just for argument's sake
    lets say you have 300 Christian families, each with a husband and wife and each
    family has three offspring ages 1 to 24. That's 600 adults and 900 offspring. Lets
    say there are 1000 other people in the church who are either aunts or uncles or
    cousins or friends That's a total of 2,500 people. I know you know this, but I'm
    gonna make the point anyway. Those 2,500 cannot meet in the middle of Farmer
    John's field and survive as a local church --- pouring down rain, freezing cold,
    human nature, etc

    They need a building and hopefully a very large one that can accommodate a lot
    of growth --- long live the Lord's Great Commission --- . . . And I would love for their
    Christian Church building to be very nice with large spacious Sunday School rooms,
    and very cold blowing Air Conditioning throughout.

    I would like for them tp have a HUGE $$$$$$$ annual dollar budget so they can fund:

    ♦ Foreign Missions of their denomination.

    ♦ The Lord's Great Commission (to go and "disciple the nations") generally in other areas

    ♦ Samaritan's Purse

    ♦ The Gideon's International

    ♦ Compassion International

    ♦ Their Own Local Christian Church Expansion. They're 2,500 now. They live, say, in a
    city of 2,000,000 --- so hopefully before long that can sell their existing church building
    for which they paid $12,000,000 --- sell it to another Christian Church in that city who needs
    a larger building, and then these original 2,500 can go build an even LARGER and
    MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE Christian Church building to support their ever-increasing
    growth. (The Lord Jesus died for PEOPLE --- therefore a Christian Church with
    LARGE NUMBERS of PEOPLE pleases God. So hopefully their new Christian Church
    building will cost $20,000,000 because it NEEDS to be that big to accommodate the new
    growth and so soon there will be 4,500 PEOPLE, instead of merely 2,500, attending their
    church every week.

    Does all that sound like something that thrills your heart? And something that you would
    love to help support?


    Leave a comment:


  • Truth7t7
    replied
    Originally posted by JAG View Post
    ♦ I read your linked article, "A Good Read, A Letter To Chuck Smith From Roger Oakland."
    It was fascinating. Had a little age on it I think but still quite typical of normal church politics.

    ♦ Where you have assets, money, and power (that is produced by 1700 churches) you will
    have church politics. That's the nature of the beast (the beast of fallen corrupted human nature)

    ♦ Christendom, it goes without saying, is not yet ready for political or theological unity. She will
    be ready one day, but no any time soon, probably not be ready for unity for a dozen or so
    millenniums yet to come.

    ♦ Meanwhile political splits can serve the purpose of the Lord's Great Commission nicely, in
    that, "divide and create more Christian organizations" does in fact work pragmatically. It is
    better to have two Christian organizations than just one --- if that one is going to "fight like
    cats and dogs."

    ♦ By the way, Chuck Smith made some serious theological and eschatological errors,
    did he not?




    All that is pure foolishness. UN-Biblical too.
    There Is One Christian Organization "The Church" this encompasses individuals in many places around the world, that are not a part of buildings and mega schemes $$$$$$

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  • JAG
    replied

    ♦ I read your linked article, "A Good Read, A Letter To Chuck Smith From Roger Oakland."
    It was fascinating. Had a little age on it I think but still quite typical of normal church politics.

    ♦ Where you have assets, money, and power (that is produced by 1700 churches) you will
    have church politics. That's the nature of the beast (the beast of fallen corrupted human nature)

    ♦ Christendom, it goes without saying, is not yet ready for political or theological unity. She will
    be ready one day, but no any time soon, probably not be ready for unity for a dozen or so
    millenniums yet to come.

    ♦ Meanwhile political splits can serve the purpose of the Lord's Great Commission nicely, in
    that, "divide and create more Christian organizations" does in fact work pragmatically. It is
    better to have two Christian organizations than just one --- if that one is going to "fight like
    cats and dogs."

    ♦ By the way, Chuck Smith made some serious theological and eschatological errors,
    did he not?


    During the late 1970s and early 1980s, Chuck Smith wrote and published a prophetic
    timeline that declared the imminent return of Christ.

    In the book Snatched Away!, published in 1976, Smith wrote:
    ` "the generation that was living in May of 1948 shall not pass until the
    second coming of Jesus Christ takes place and the kingdom of God be
    established upon the earth".

    `
    In a 1978 book, Smith wrote:
    `
    I believe that the generation of 1948 is the last generation. Since a generation
    of judgment is forty years and the Tribulation period lasts seven years, I believe
    the Lord could come back for His Church any time before the Tribulation starts,
    which would mean any time before 1981.
    `

    The reasoning had to do with the idea that the seven-year Tribulation would end in 1988,
    forty years after the establishment of the state of Israel. In his 1978 book, Smith reasoned
    that Halley's Comet in 1986 would result in problems for those left behind: "The Lord said
    that towards the end of the Tribulation period the sun would scorch men who dwell upon
    the face of the earth (Rev. 16). The year 1986 would fit just about right! We’re getting
    close to the Tribulation and the return of Christ in glory. All the pieces of the puzzle are
    coming together."
    `


    Disappointment resulting from the prophecy not materializing in 1981 caused some to
    leave the church.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvar...Christ_in_1981
    All that is pure foolishness. UN-Biblical too.

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