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Gauging Christ's true church by scriptural Apostolic tradition.

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  • Gauging Christ's true church by scriptural Apostolic tradition.

    When I was first sucked into the CoC, it was because they claimed, "We speak where scripture speaks and are silent where scripture is silent". First off, for accuracy, that should be changed to, "We speak where the Stone/Campbell interpretation of scripture speaks, ignore that which they ignored, edit that which they edited, add meaning where they did, and ceaselessly debate & divide where scripture is either silent or unclear, all while completely ignoring the teachings of the early church fathers except where they happen to agree with our clearly man-made traditions."

    The CoC does manage to come close to the ancient unified Apostolic church on a few things such as baptism (via full immersion in water) in the name (by the authority) of Jesus Christ, _into_ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, when preceded by belief and repentance, being UNTO the remission of sins. Though the CoC likes to think they have a lock on that doctrine in the denominational/restorational world, a few other denominations teach the same.

    Acapella music is absolutely scriptural but not a legalistic requirement (most of what the CoC teaches as being judicially required to do or face h-e-double hockey sticks was in fact never done in a legalistic sense by the ancient unified church). Assembling on the Lord's Day, laying by in store as we have prospered, the sacrament/mystery of marriage (pretty much all churches include that but with a blatantly incorrect understanding as to its full scriptural meaning), singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs (though most actually forget to sing psalms), and a few other things.

    What are the important doctrines of the ancient unified Apostolic church that the CoC in its Baptist/Presbyterian/Roman Catholic roots have laid aside or distorted to their own destruction?

    1. Baptism -- but I just said they got it right, no? They got it right (for the most part) if you happen to have reached the ever-critical "age of accountability". Little children and infants whom scripture clearly indicates as having faith are left without a spiritual home in the wasteland of the secular world at the mercy of Satan and his demons with absolutely zero spiritual armor to combat the evil and temptations of a humanistic society. They're even given toys and books at church services to keep them busy and (hopefully) quiet while the adult congregation in all their true wisdom and faith 'worships in spirit and in truth', mainly by making certain to exclude musical instruments when they sing hymns and spiritual songs (largely ignoring the psalms) before receiving the purely symbolic crackers and grape juice in what they dub the 'Lord's Supper', ignoring completely Christ's own words: "This IS my body ... this IS My blood of the new covenant" and, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." (said before the Last Supper, so His disciples would have clearly recalled that when He proclaimed the -leavened- bread and -wine- to be His body and blood). Apparently, the definition of "house"/"household" changed between testaments to exclude little children and infants, thus allowing the CoC (and all adherents to 'believer's baptism') to prevent the little children from coming to Him, something against which He vehemently preached.

    2. Reception of the Holy Spirit -- the CoC claims the 'indwelling Spirit' is received at baptism which, though technically correct, leaves out the very aspect of baptism where the Holy Spirit was received. They argue that since there are no more Apostles to lay hands on the newly baptized for reception of the Holy Spirit, the 'indwelling Spirit' is received by the baptized as being the "gift of the Holy Spirit", twisting Acts 2:38:

    "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for (at the point in time one is baptized) the remission of sins, and ye shall receive (following baptism) the gift of the Holy Ghost." (through Apostolic power that was given by Jesus when He breathed the Spirit onto them and the visitation of the Holy Spirit in the upper room on the day of Pentecost).
    The Holy Apostolic Tradition of Christ's church shows that the Apostles (at some point) passed that anointing power to their successors via the anointing oil (unction) (1 Jn 2:20, 27) we see in 1st John. Since the only way to become a presbyter/bishop in Christ's church is from the laying on of hands by the presbytery (the original presbyters/bishops having been anointed directly by an Apostle), we see the true importance of 'Apostolic succession'. No one at any time (prior to the Reformation) suddenly became a presbyter or bishop because they prayed about it, or because a group of followers declared it to be so. Apostolic succession is absolutely critical to the ancient unified church of Christ (not the Stone/Campbell self-proclaimed "CoC"). To this day, the Eastern churches of Christ (Armenian, Coptic, Oriental, and Eastern Orthodox) have maintained true Apostolic succession (unlike Rome or the Anglican churches).

    3. Holy Eucharist (what the CoC dubs the 'Lord's Supper') -- Jesus didn't say, "This is symbolic of/represents my body/blood".

    4. The Divine Liturgy -- the CoC isn't even a liturgical church

    5. Ongoing confession of sins, "one to another" (per James) -- though some hardline CoCs still practice the individual confession of sins before the entire congregation (which is actually how it was originally done), the vast majority do not.

    These are just the tip of a gargantuan iceberg of doctrine and scriptural principles the CoC is essentially forced to ignore due to a combination of two overlapping critical errors: "sola scriptura" and ignoring patristic interpretation of Holy Scripture in favor of (very) late interpretations by Campbell / Stone / Scott and some others.

    Born into RCC and baptized into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, as commanded in Matthew's gospel. Received the power, seal, and gift of the Holy Spirit in 2011.

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    Ignore the error(s) of the world church. No matter what any other church(es) teach, ignore (and renounce and repent of if needed) the (massive) errors of the world church body.
    repenting of the 'little' church(es) errors will not help even one iota towards eternal life, will it ?


    • #3
      Originally posted by Jethro77 View Post
      Ignore the error(s) of the world church. No matter what any other church(es) teach, ignore (and renounce and repent of if needed) the (massive) errors of the world church body.
      repenting of the 'little' church(es) errors will not help even one iota towards eternal life, will it ?
      Please define "the world church"

      What are you trying to say?

      God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

      I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)


      • #4
        Largely a Post-Church of Christ member - it's sad that my own brothers are back-stabbers when it comes to telling the truth on the CoC. Holdouts of the high and lofty ones who think they alone will be in heaven by following after their own ways - seemingly putting themselves above God Almighty - who knows not half of what they think they do!

        And the more "liberal" coC's, they are largely Baptist's in doctrine. Nothing of what they used to be - but which Church is? All have fallen away from what Jesus taught in Matthew.,, every one.


        • #5
          As for the Eastern Orthodox Churches - I'd lump them with Rome because of their viewpoint on the "Lord's Supper". Given the abuses from their beginning - and their most recent newsworthy exposed treatment of children and those who abused them - their beliefs about that wafer are shown wanting in my humble opinion.


          • #6
            Not a single CoCer responding to the 5 points of the OP.. noted.
            Born into RCC and baptized into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, as commanded in Matthew's gospel. Received the power, seal, and gift of the Holy Spirit in 2011.