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  • #16
    Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

    Certainly--one has to have the grace of God in order to receive the remission of sins--but how does that preclude obedience to Jesus Christ--in order to receive His grace unto the forgiveness of sins?

    1 John 1:7 ----King James Version (KJV)
    7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
    Your interpretation doesn't reflect the passage. Verses five through seven are statements of reality rather than works required to receive a wage. Note the use of "we."
    Last edited by BJ BEAR; 11-29-18, 06:26 PM. Reason: Add info
    Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

    Peace,
    BJ -Bear
    VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
    WELS

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
      Your interpretation doesn't reflect the passage. Verses five through seven are statements of reality rather than works required to receive a wage. Note the use of "we."
      If 1John1:7 refers to "we"--then it is a reference to Christians, as it is a Christian who wrote it--and he included himself, as an inclusion-- to "we".

      The passage also has a condition to the Blood of Christ unto the forgiveness of sins:

      1 John 1:7 ----King James Version (KJV)
      7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      How do you fit that into Lutheran theology?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

        If 1John1:7 refers to "we"--then it is a reference to Christians, as it is a Christian who wrote it--and he included himself, as an inclusion-- to "we".

        The passage also has a condition to the Blood of Christ unto the forgiveness of sins:

        1 John 1:7 ----King James Version (KJV)
        7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

        How do you fit that into Lutheran theology?
        You are correct, the writer was referring to Christians. When a Christian says he has fellowship with God and walks in darkness he lies and does not practice the truth. When a Christian walks in the light, as He is in the light, the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.

        The answer to your question is in the following verse, "If we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us."
        Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

        Peace,
        BJ -Bear
        VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
        WELS

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post If 1John1:7 refers to "we"--then it is a reference to Christians, as it is a Christian who wrote it--and he included himself, as an inclusion-- to "we".

          The passage also has a condition to the Blood of Christ unto the forgiveness of sins:

          1 John 1:7 ----King James Version (KJV)
          7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

          How do you fit that into Lutheran theology?
          Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
          You are correct, the writer was referring to Christians. When a Christian says he has fellowship with God and walks in darkness he lies and does not practice the truth. When a Christian walks in the light, as He is in the light, the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
          You just connected works with the Blood of Jesus Christ. That defies faith alone theology. The Lutherans preach a theology where one cannot walk in the light until they are saved.

          Are you claiming one is saved prior to the Blood of Christ?




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          • #20
            Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post
            You just connected works with the Blood of Jesus Christ. That defies faith alone theology. The Lutherans preach a theology where one cannot walk in the light until they are saved.

            Are you claiming one is saved prior to the Blood of Christ?
            Good works are a consequence of Christ and his sacrifice through the faith which He gives.
            Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

            Peace,
            BJ -Bear
            VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
            WELS

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
              Good works are a consequence of Christ and his sacrifice....
              Then you would agree--there were none which did good works in the OT--or in the NT record--before His Atonement?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

                Then you would agree--there were none which did good works in the OT--or in the NT record--before His Atonement?
                No, it is the same gospel from Genesis through Revelation. The difference is that from the time of the passion of Christ people are looking at what He has done rather than what He will do.
                Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                Peace,
                BJ -Bear
                VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
                WELS

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
                  No, it is the same gospel from Genesis through Revelation. The difference is that from the time of the passion of Christ people are looking at what He has done rather than what He will do.
                  Could you explain how one looking to what God has done--somehow absolves us from God judging all men as to what they have done--and that for "life" or "damnation"?

                  John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)
                  28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
                  29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

                  2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
                  10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

                  Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)
                  27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

                  Romans 2:5-11---King James Version (KJV)
                  5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
                  6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
                  7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
                  8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
                  9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
                  10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
                  11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
                  1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
                  16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
                  17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

                    Could you explain how one looking to what God has done--somehow absolves us from God judging all men as to what they have done--and that for "life" or "damnation"?

                    John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)
                    28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
                    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

                    2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
                    10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

                    Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)
                    27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

                    Romans 2:5-11---King James Version (KJV)
                    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
                    6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
                    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
                    8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
                    9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
                    10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
                    11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
                    1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
                    16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
                    17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post If 1John1:7 refers to "we"--then it is a reference to Christians, as it is a Christian who wrote it--and he included himself, as an inclusion-- to "we".
                      The passage also has a condition to the Blood of Christ unto the forgiveness of sins:

                      1 John 1:7 ----King James Version (KJV)
                      7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

                      How do you fit that into Lutheran theology?

                      Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post You are correct, the writer was referring to Christians. When a Christian says he has fellowship with God and walks in darkness he lies and does not practice the truth.When a Christian walks in the light, as He is in the light, the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.


                      Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post
                      You just connected works with the Blood of Jesus Christ. That defies faith alone theology. The Lutherans preach a theology where one cannot walk in the light until they are saved.

                      Are you claiming one is saved prior to the Blood of Christ?
                      I would like any Lutheran to explain this anomaly to me, please.

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