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  • #16
    Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

    Are you referring to this witness?

    1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    Let's start here. That isn't a passage I was referring to but the context of that passage makes it helpful in this regard. The context is found in verse three, "Every man that this hope in him purifies himself as He is pure." The verb translated as "purifies" is an indicative not an imperative. In other words, it is another way of saying by grace through faith not works.

    ​​​​​The passage is teaching that the justified through faith are to act accordingly. The passage is not teaching that a person is pure or justified unto eternal life by their works.
    Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

    Peace,
    BJ -Bear
    VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
    WELS

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
      Let's start here. That isn't a passage I was referring to but the context of that passage makes it helpful in this regard. The context is found in verse three, "Every man that this hope in him purifies himself as He is pure." The verb translated as "purifies" is an indicative not an imperative. In other words, it is another way of saying by grace through faith not works.

      ​​​​​The passage is teaching that the justified through faith are to act accordingly. The passage is not teaching that a person is pure or justified unto eternal life by their works.
      It states just what it testifies to--those who doeth righteousness is righteous--even as he is righteous.

      1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
      7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

      It also states to let no man deceive you otherwise.

      How do you fit that into faith alone theology--without the twisted contortions people seem to go through in order to deny that which is plainly testified to?

      2 Peter 3:16 ---King James Version (KJV)
      16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

        It states just what it testifies to--those who doeth righteousness is righteous--even as he is righteous.

        1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
        7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

        It also states to let no man deceive you otherwise.

        How do you fit that into faith alone theology--without the twisted contortions people seem to go through in order to deny that which is plainly testified to?
        The person posting twisted contortions is you because the people referred to are already children of God. They are not doing to become children of God, the righteous. Start reading near the end of chapter two.
        Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

        Peace,
        BJ -Bear
        VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
        WELS

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
          The person posting twisted contortions is you because the people referred to are already children of God. They are not doing to become children of God, the righteous.
          What other way are you claiming the verse testifies as to being righteous--other than by doing righteousness?

          1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
          7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

            What other way are you claiming the verse testifies as to being righteous--other than by doing righteousness?

            1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
            7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
            Like in a recent post I again suggest you begin reading in chapter two. If you do you will find that he is writing to the children of God, the righteous, rather than to those who aspire to be children of God by doing righteousness.
            Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

            Peace,
            BJ -Bear
            VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
            WELS

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
              Like in a recent post I again suggest you begin reading in chapter two.
              How would reading chapter two somehow cover up or cancel out the fact the scriptural testimony is that those who doeth righteousness--is righteous?

              1 John 3:7 ---King James Version (KJV)
              7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post
                riginally posted by dberrie2000 View Post If that is true--then everyone has eternal life--as Jesus was perfectly obedient--and died for all.

                So--why are all judged according to their own works--if it is Jesus' obedience?

                Matthew 16:27--- King James Version (KJV)
                27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

                If it is Jesus' obedience--then why are all Christians judged according to their own works?

                2 Corinthians 5:10--- King James Version (KJV)
                10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

                Yes, Jesus' obedience is the cause of all salvation for man,--but not the only reason man receives it, as in His grace unto life--as a personal reception.

                Jesus Christ only extends His grace unto life, as a personal reception--to them which obey Him--and do His commandments:

                Revelation 22:14--- King James Version (KJV)
                14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

                OK--here we are in my thread.

                Could you answer the above points?
                Bump for Bonnie--and all Lutherans.

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