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Paul, Lutherans and Roman Catholics were saved through ceremonial baptism - Titus 3:5

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  • Paul, Lutherans and Roman Catholics were saved through ceremonial baptism - Titus 3:5

    according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
    through the washing of regeneration
    (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
    AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).



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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
    through the washing of regeneration
    (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
    AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).



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    Isn't that the usual and customary manner?

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      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

      according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
      through the washing of regeneration
      (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
      AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).

      Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

      Isn't that the usual and customary manner?

      Who baptised unregenerate Paul?



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      Last edited by Conqueror; 12-05-18, 01:16 AM.

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        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post






        Who baptised unregenerate Paul?



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        Ananias.

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          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


          Who baptised unregenerate Paul?

          Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

          Ananias.
          I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
          nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
          but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
          (Gal 1:16-17).

          Paul remained not baptised.





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            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





            I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
            nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
            but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
            (Gal 1:16-17).

            Paul remained not baptised.




            Act 9:17

            Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

            Act 9:18

            Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

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            • #7

              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


              I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
              nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
              but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
              (Gal 1:16-17).

              Paul remained not baptised.


              Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

              Act 9:17

              Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

              Act 9:18

              Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,
              Paul's apostolic account differs from that of Luke the Greek.

              that you may learn in us
              not to go BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN
              (1 Cor 4:6)

              by the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).


              If you haven't learned anything,
              then you will have to put up with that difference in the 'inerrant' canon.






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              • #8
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post






                Paul's apostolic account differs from that of Luke the Greek.

                that you may learn in us
                not to go BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN
                (1 Cor 4:6)

                by the foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20).


                If you haven't learned anything,
                then you will have to put up with that difference in the 'inerrant' canon.





                So what does Paul's apostolic account have to say about it?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HTacianas View Post


                  Act 9:17

                  Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

                  Act 9:18

                  Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

                  Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                  So what does Paul's apostolic account have to say about it?
                  Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


                  I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
                  nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
                  but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
                  (Gal 1:16-17).

                  Paul remained not baptised.



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                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


                    I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
                    nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
                    but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
                    (Gal 1:16-17).

                    Paul remained not baptised.



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                    How did Paul become an apostle?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                      according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
                      through the washing of regeneration
                      (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
                      AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).



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                      Originally posted by HTacianas View Post

                      How did Paul become an apostle?

                      it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb
                      and called me through His grace
                      (Gal 1:15).

                      That calling cannot have been at Paul's 'saving' baptism
                      for the calling was from a distance.


                      33.307 φωνέωa; καλέωc: to communicate directly or indirectly
                      to someone who is presumably at a distance,
                      in order to tell such a person to come - ‘to call, to summon.’
                      [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].






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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                        according to His mercy He saved us [Paul (Titus 1:1)],
                        through the washing of regeneration
                        (ceremonial baptism, Louw & Nida, BDAG)
                        AND renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).



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                        One ceremony and one is guaranteed eternal life.

                        Both Catholics and Protestants
                        have unanimously declared the letter to Titus to be the word of God.



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





                          I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
                          nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
                          but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
                          (Gal 1:16-17).

                          Paul remained not baptised.
                          No, Paul did not remain unbaptized. You are overlooking the context of his statement in 1:16-17. That context begins in verse 11, the gospel he preaches is not from man, it is by revelation of Christ..."immediately I did not *confer* with flesh and blood." LITV

                          Paul didn't write that he wasn't baptized and would not extol the gifts given in baptism in Romans and Galatians if he were not baptized as Acts clearly states. Also there is no Scriptural record or extra Biblical record of the Apostles, eye witnesses, and disciples disputing Paul's baptism as recorded in Acts.
                          Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                          Peace,
                          BJ -Bear
                          VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
                          WELS

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                            I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
                            nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me;
                            but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus
                            (Gal 1:16-17).


                            Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post

                            ..."immediately I did not *confer* with flesh and blood." LITV

                            It takes another person to be baptised,
                            which did not happen according the Paul.

                            I am aware that Lutherans prefer fables over the apostolic word of God.








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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post






                              I am aware that Lutherans prefer fables over the apostolic word of God.







                              AMUSING!
                              Just because a lone anonymous person on the Internet decides for himself against antiquity, the Apostolic witness and essentially all of Christendom, that everyone else has it wrong, does not necessitate that this wayward individual is correct in his assertion that portions of scripture, recognized as scripture by other scripture mind you, are fables. If anything the reverse is true and you're the one spreading fables.

                              Nic
                              1Co 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
                              1Co 1:31 so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

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