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  • #16
    Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

    Absolutely nothing. They are integral components one to another.

    And that is my point--the Lutherans separate out the components one from another in obtaining salvation--that is what faith alone theology is--a faith which is alone in obtaining salvation.

    A dead faith.

    Which dead faith--the Lutherans preach one obtains salvation through.



    I agree:

    2 John 9 --King James Version (KJV)
    9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    That connects works and having God.

    If one "hath not God" if they don't abide in the doctrine--then why do the Lutherans preach one can only obey God AFTER they are saved? IOW--obtaining salvation prior to obeying the doctrine.

    You do preach one obeys God BECAUSE they have been saved?

    Bonnie--the Biblical text has works (acts of obedience to Jesus Christ) on both sides of salvation.
    Your point is "pointless." For we teach that a true and living faith ALWAYS leads to doing good works. But they are one IN salvation, not FOR salvation.

    And if one "has not God" then that means that one "has not Jesus Christ" since Jesus said that he who has Him has the Father. So, my point stands: those who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and God and Savior for full salvation, great and free, HAVE the Light--Jesus Christ. And when they have the Light they walk in the Light. And that "Light" enables them to do good works out of love for what the true Light did for them on the cross of Calvary--pay completely for their sins, so He could give us the gift of full salvation in heaven with Jesus Christ after death, for those who believe on His Name.
    "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
    "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
    "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
    "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
    "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bonnie View Post
      Your point is "pointless." For we teach that a true and living faith ALWAYS leads to doing good works. But they are one IN salvation, not FOR salvation.

      And if one "has not God" then that means that one "has not Jesus Christ" since Jesus said that he who has Him has the Father.
      Then perhaps you could connect the dots for us how one cannot do acts of obedience to God prior to being saved--and yet, those who do not abide in the doctrine of Jesus Christ has not God?

      Are you claiming one is saved prior to having God?

      2 John 9 --King James Version (KJV)
      9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post

        Then perhaps you could connect the dots for us how one cannot do acts of obedience to God prior to being saved--and yet, those who do not abide in the doctrine of Jesus Christ has not God?

        Are you claiming one is saved prior to having God?

        2 John 9 --King James Version (KJV)
        9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
        Abiding in the doctrine of Christ Jesus is believing in Him and trusting in Him only for salvation, great and free. He who doesn't abide in Christ Jesus doesn't believe in Him and is disobedient and sinning. For Jesus said that whoever is not for Him is against Him, if memory serves me correctly.
        "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
        "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
        "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
        "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
        "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bonnie View Post
          Abiding in the doctrine of Christ Jesus is believing in Him and trusting in Him only for salvation, great and free. He who doesn't abide in Christ Jesus doesn't believe in Him and is disobedient and sinning. For Jesus said that whoever is not for Him is against Him, if memory serves me correctly.
          So--did these mentioned here---believe in Christ before--or after--- they received the remission of sins?

          Acts 2:38-42 ---King James Version (KJV)
          38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dberrie2000 View Post
            So--did these mentioned here---believe in Christ before--or after--- they received the remission of sins?

            Acts 2:38-42 ---King James Version (KJV)
            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Bump for Bonnie

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