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Proof that Jesus used figurative language at the last supper; 'This is my body'

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  • Proof that Jesus used figurative language at the last supper; 'This is my body'

    “Therefore if they say to you ....
    ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
    - tabernacles
    do not believe it.
    (Mat 24:26).


    Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
    that He would no longer use figurative language
    after the resurrection (John 16:25).





    For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
    you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
    (1 Co 11:26).

    'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.


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  • #2
    That is the same false content under a different post name. For example, it still illogically equivocates on inner rooms and tents, and you still continue to deny or overlook that Christ is wherever two or more are gathered in His name.

    I think most people can and do distinguish between what they do and what another does. In this case, part of what people do in the Supper is not what Christ did and said at the Supper.
    Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

    Peace,
    BJ -Bear
    VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
    WELS

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
      “Therefore if they say to you ....
      ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
      - tabernacles
      do not believe it.
      (Mat 24:26).


      Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
      that He would no longer use figurative language
      after the resurrection (John 16:25).





      For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
      you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
      (1 Co 11:26).

      'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.


      .


      1 Corinthians 10: 10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

      This was the OT foreshadowing of Christ in Baptism and Communion.
      Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

      “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
      but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


      Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


        Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
        that He would no longer use figurative language
        after the resurrection (John 16:25).


        Originally posted by Thekla View Post

        This was the OT foreshadowing of Christ in Baptism and Communion.
        'This is my body' wasn't meant to be taken literally.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



          'This is my body' wasn't meant to be taken literally.
          Yes it is.
          Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

          “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
          but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


          Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


            Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
            that He would no longer use figurative language
            after the resurrection (John 16:25).






            'This is my body' wasn't meant to be taken literally.
            Originally posted by Thekla View Post

            Yes it is.
            Proper apologetics cannot be expected from Lutherans.


            .

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



              Proper apologetics cannot be expected from Lutherans.


              .
              Ouch, I thought my reply was very simple and easy to understand.
              Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

              “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
              but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


              Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                “Therefore if they say to you ....
                ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
                - tabernacles
                do not believe it.
                (Mat 24:26).


                Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
                that He would no longer use figurative language
                after the resurrection (John 16:25).





                For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
                you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
                (1 Co 11:26).

                'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.


                .


                23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

                27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.


                You proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.This is refering to when he returns in bodily form at the second coming.
                Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

                “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
                but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


                Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                  “Therefore if they say to you ....
                  ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
                  - tabernacles
                  do not believe it.
                  (Mat 24:26).


                  Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
                  that He would no longer use figurative language
                  after the resurrection (John 16:25).





                  For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
                  you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
                  (1 Co 11:26).

                  'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.

                  Originally posted by Thekla View Post



                  You proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.This is refering to when he returns in bodily form at the second coming.
                  Correct.

                  The wafer cannot be the body of Christ.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




                    Correct.

                    The wafer cannot be the body of Christ.
                    Wrong, it is his body and blood but it is not visible to us. That is why you must discern it. If it is not his body and blood, what is there to discern?
                    Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

                    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
                    but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


                    Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                      “Therefore if they say to you ....
                      ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
                      - tabernacles
                      do not believe it.
                      (Mat 24:26).


                      For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
                      you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
                      (1 Co 11:26).

                      'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.
                      Originally posted by Thekla View Post

                      Wrong, it is his body and blood but it is not visible to us. That is why you must discern it. If it is not his body and blood, what is there to discern?
                      Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
                      that He would no longer use figurative language
                      after the resurrection (John 16:25).


                      'This is my body' wasn't literal,
                      but Lutherans now tell me
                      that the blood and bones aren't visible.

                      Do Lutherans ride an invisible unicorn to church?


                      .



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                      • #12
                        Of course not, I drink my beer and I can see the unicorn. Jesus didn't say it. Paul was quoting him. He didn't change what Jesus said. You don't have the faith to believe what Jesus said. Pray that he forgives you and you don't suffer as Paul warns.
                        Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

                        “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
                        but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


                        Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                          “Therefore if they say to you ....
                          ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
                          - tabernacles
                          do not believe it.
                          (Mat 24:26).

                          Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
                          that He would no longer use figurative language
                          after the resurrection (John 16:25).



                          For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
                          you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
                          (1 Co 11:26).

                          'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.
                          Originally posted by Thekla View Post
                          Of course not, I drink my beer and I can see the unicorn. Jesus didn't say it. Paul was quoting him. He didn't change what Jesus said. You don't have the faith to believe what Jesus said. Pray that he forgives you and you don't suffer as Paul warns.
                          I don't need to be forgiven for preaching the truth.


                          .


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



                            I don't need to be forgiven for preaching the truth.


                            .

                            No you don't so you should start doing so.
                            Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

                            “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
                            but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


                            Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                              “Therefore if they say to you ....
                              ‘Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!’
                              - tabernacles
                              do not believe it.
                              (Mat 24:26).

                              Jesus promised after the last supper (John 13:31),
                              that He would no longer use figurative language
                              after the resurrection (John 16:25).



                              For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
                              you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
                              (1 Co 11:26).

                              'until He comes' cannot mean that He is present as the god-wafer.
                              Originally posted by Thekla View Post

                              No you don't so you should start doing so.
                              Address the issue with proper apologetics,
                              rather than attack the messenger.


                              .


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