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  • Faith1960
    started a topic Help With Unbelief

    Help With Unbelief

    ok, I think that at least for the time being, the ND church I was visiting isnít for me, so I tried a Lutheran LCMS church and really enjoyed it. Trouble is, they take Genesis literally - six day creation, young earth, talking snake etc. I donít know if, after having a Catholic background and relying on not only Gods Word but science to explain things Iíd ever believe in Genesis literally. How do I do this?
    I mean, the pastors are well educated and believe, I’m not well educated, so I think that they’d know more than I do but.....
    Last edited by 4Him; 02-10-19, 06:24 PM. Reason: no violation

  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Thekla View Post

    This is something that is decided by the individual churches. My church gives Ashes on Ash Wednesday. We can eat meat during Lent, if you want to not eat meat you don't have to. It is your personal decision not the churches. We get palms on Palm Sunday but too is a churches decision, although all the Lutheran Churches around me have them.

    We were not told to do these things in the Bible. They were introduced for reasons in the early church. So, Lutherans can do them but it isn't a command of the church. None of the churches I knew used ashes until the 1980's. All the churches I know celebrated Palm Sunday with palms. I've always taken my palm and turned it into a cross after the service. I usually hang it in my kitchen as long as I can.
    Once when we were in Florida there was a man sitting outside a restaraunt folding palms into crosses and selling them, or maybe just accepting donations.
    p.s. I posted a question in the Astronomy sub-forum, come on by.

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  • Thekla
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    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
    Does the LCMS get ashes on Ash Wednesday? Do Lutherans abstain from eating meat during Lent? Do they get blessed palms for Palm Sunday?
    This is something that is decided by the individual churches. My church gives Ashes on Ash Wednesday. We can eat meat during Lent, if you want to not eat meat you don't have to. It is your personal decision not the churches. We get palms on Palm Sunday but too is a churches decision, although all the Lutheran Churches around me have them.

    We were not told to do these things in the Bible. They were introduced for reasons in the early church. So, Lutherans can do them but it isn't a command of the church. None of the churches I knew used ashes until the 1980's. All the churches I know celebrated Palm Sunday with palms. I've always taken my palm and turned it into a cross after the service. I usually hang it in my kitchen as long as I can.

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  • Nic
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    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

    I take it you donít like the UCC?
    I'd tolerate liberal theology on an as need basis as Thekla indicated earlier. I haven't been to a related church to the UCC, but from the sound of it it would likely not be on my list today. I would like likely attend a Reformed Anglican or liberal Lutheran community with the Sacraments before UCC.

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  • Faith1960
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    Does the LCMS get ashes on Ash Wednesday? Do Lutherans abstain from eating meat during Lent? Do they get blessed palms for Palm Sunday?

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  • Thekla
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    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

    Ok, I’ll do that. They do have coffee and something to eat, donuts I think. Are they free or should I be carrying more money?
    I’m a little shy but I can’t wait for the pastor and other staff member I know to come up and talk to me all the time so I’ll talk to people. At the beginning of the service, the pastor tells everyone to greet other members (or are they called parishioners?) and everybody has been very kind and welcoming to me.
    it’s kind of like the Catholic version of the sign of peace, but people at the LCMS are friendlier, less reserved.
    The Catholic Church I’m coming from only has coffee and donuts occasionally and has less opportunities to meet people.
    They are free at all the churches I've attended but I really can't speak for any church. This is something they could differ on around the world. It isn't in the Book of Concord. lol

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  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Thekla View Post

    I am taking this to mean you want to know why I prefer this synod over others and are not asking why I like a Luther Church over others.
    Both, actually.

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  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Nic View Post

    Liberal theological views tend to grow more and more liberal as time marches on. Sometimes the term progressive is used because it sounds more positive, but they are in one in the same in most cases. Unity at the expense of doctrine and fear of offending persons drives liberalism in churches.
    I take it you donít like the UCC?

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  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Thekla View Post

    I am taking this to mean you want to know why I prefer this synod over others and are not asking why I like a Luther Church over others.

    The LCMS accepts the entire Book of Concord. ELCA is much more liberal. Since I was raised in the LCA (which is now part of ELCA) if I lived in a small town that had ELCA churches and no LCMS I would attend it. So please understand that it is the liberal issues supported by ELCA that I do not like, not the major basis of their beliefs.

    I have to explain that the LCMS teaches that it isn't what we do that saves us. Please look at the following verse.

    Ephesians 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    We know that we are not perfect and that we sin. God has prepared works for us to do and we will do them because we love God. We may do them and not even know that we have. So my love for this church is on its faith in God not man.

    I also know that there are small differences between every church. Which songs they sing, what activities the congregation do. I belong to LWML (Lutheran Woman's Missionary League). Every other month, we meet for lunch. It isn't our meeting for what we will do, it is a meeting for friendship and to get to know each other better. We had a great time and I laughed myself silly. I'm in my 70's. I don't get out as much as I used to do, I'm not strong enough to do a lot of things that I used to do. A lot of my friends have moved away and some have died. So I take great joy in this meeting when both the young and the old come together and unite with Christ in loving friendship. So this too is one of the reasons I like LCMS.

    Many LCMS churches have coffee and donuts and other sweets after church so everyone can greet each other. If the church you are attending has one, stay for it and talk to some of the members. Believe me, they will be happy to talk to you. Honestly though, some people are shy, so smile and tell some one you are looking for a church to join and I'm sure you will be surrounded by people telling you what you will like about that church. lol
    Ok, Iíll do that. They do have coffee and something to eat, donuts I think. Are they free or should I be carrying more money?
    Iím a little shy but I canít wait for the pastor and other staff member I know to come up and talk to me all the time so Iíll talk to people. At the beginning of the service, the pastor tells everyone to greet other members (or are they called parishioners?) and everybody has been very kind and welcoming to me.
    itís kind of like the Catholic version of the sign of peace, but people at the LCMS are friendlier, less reserved.
    The Catholic Church Iím coming from only has coffee and donuts occasionally and has less opportunities to meet people.
    Last edited by Faith1960; 02-12-19, 05:17 PM.

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  • Nic
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    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

    I like that the UCC is theologically liberal but I don’t like that they’re so liberal that they don’t oppose abortion. Of course, a UCC member is free to be pro-life if that’s what they feel in their heart and believe.
    Liberal theological views tend to grow more and more liberal as time marches on. Sometimes the term progressive is used because it sounds more positive, but they are in one in the same in most cases. Unity at the expense of doctrine and fear of offending persons drives liberalism in churches.

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  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Thekla View Post

    I explained why I liked the church and why I didn't. I said I didn't know what the terms meant. I didn't say they were liberal terms. I said the church is liberal and that is why I left it.
    I like that the UCC is theologically liberal but I donít like that theyíre so liberal that they donít oppose abortion. Of course, a UCC member is free to be pro-life if thatís what they feel in their heart and believe.

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  • Faith1960
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    Originally posted by Rudder View Post

    Just a guess, but I would equate those services to a "traditional" service and a "contemporary" service. I think that those terms are more commonly used.
    Yeah, I called and thatís what she told me. She said that the older members prefer the Heritage service and yhe younger prefer the Connection service. Iím 58 but would prefer the Connection service. Iíll probably go there weekend after next.

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  • Thekla
    replied
    Originally posted by john t View Post

    To whom do you refer?

    On what basis do you make those terms "heritage service" and "connectional service" to be "liberal terms" since you admit that you are unfamiliar with those terms? Yet upon reflection, it seems to me, that the first term is describing a traditional type of service, perhaps more liturgical than the more relational "connectional service".

    In my region of NY, there is a United Methodist Church which did / does (?) that sort of thing
    I explained why I liked the church and why I didn't. I said I didn't know what the terms meant. I didn't say they were liberal terms. I said the church is liberal and that is why I left it.

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  • Thekla
    replied
    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

    What do you like about the LCMS?
    I am taking this to mean you want to know why I prefer this synod over others and are not asking why I like a Luther Church over others.

    The LCMS accepts the entire Book of Concord. ELCA is much more liberal. Since I was raised in the LCA (which is now part of ELCA) if I lived in a small town that had ELCA churches and no LCMS I would attend it. So please understand that it is the liberal issues supported by ELCA that I do not like, not the major basis of their beliefs.

    I have to explain that the LCMS teaches that it isn't what we do that saves us. Please look at the following verse.

    Ephesians 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithóand this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godó 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are Godís handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    We know that we are not perfect and that we sin. God has prepared works for us to do and we will do them because we love God. We may do them and not even know that we have. So my love for this church is on its faith in God not man.

    I also know that there are small differences between every church. Which songs they sing, what activities the congregation do. I belong to LWML (Lutheran Woman's Missionary League). Every other month, we meet for lunch. It isn't our meeting for what we will do, it is a meeting for friendship and to get to know each other better. We had a great time and I laughed myself silly. I'm in my 70's. I don't get out as much as I used to do, I'm not strong enough to do a lot of things that I used to do. A lot of my friends have moved away and some have died. So I take great joy in this meeting when both the young and the old come together and unite with Christ in loving friendship. So this too is one of the reasons I like LCMS.

    Many LCMS churches have coffee and donuts and other sweets after church so everyone can greet each other. If the church you are attending has one, stay for it and talk to some of the members. Believe me, they will be happy to talk to you. Honestly though, some people are shy, so smile and tell some one you are looking for a church to join and I'm sure you will be surrounded by people telling you what you will like about that church. lol

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  • john t
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    Originally posted by Thekla View Post
    They are a pretty liberal church.
    To whom do you refer?

    On what basis do you make those terms "heritage service" and "connectional service" to be "liberal terms" since you admit that you are unfamiliar with those terms? Yet upon reflection, it seems to me, that the first term is describing a traditional type of service, perhaps more liturgical than the more relational "connectional service".

    In my region of NY, there is a United Methodist Church which did / does (?) that sort of thing

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