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Eros and Agape, the counterfeit and the true

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  • Eros and Agape, the counterfeit and the true

    The first part of the title is the title of a good book, Eros And Agape, written by Anders Nygren. The second part is a description of a recurring theme in some of the threads where eros or a self interested love is mistaken for agape, the true Christian love.

    Eros in its best and highest sense is a self interested love, that is, what do I get out of it or of what benefit is this love to the person who is considering an object of this type of love. That is not the true Christian love.

    We see this type of self interested love in comments like, "How does one avoid this condemnation?" And in the parable of the talents that it is a parable which teaches that the kingdom heaven is a judgment.

    The same idea is conveyed in the many threads where Ephesians 2 is denied by this or that passage about works and when works merit the so-called, salvational grace," of the cult.

    Unlike eros the true Christian love is agape, love which isn't self interested. The true Christians love, agape, God because God first loved, agape, us. It is God"s love, agape, which also moves us to love, agape, our neighbor. It means that true Christian love is free and without the compulsion of self interest and the law.

    The true Christian gospel produces true love, agape. A false gospel produces a false love, a self interested love, eros.
    Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

    BJ -Bear
    VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)