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    I’m also struggling with another aspect of Genesis. I’m taking a class on Genesis at the Lutheran Church I’ve been going to, taught by one of the pastors. Problem is the belief in giants. I’ve always avoided Genesis due to my problems believing stuff like giants, The Nephilim (sp) etc. Any help will be appreciated.

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    Also, some Bibles list Goliath as being 9+ ft. tall whereas others list him as (I think) 6+ ft. tall. I can buy the 6+ ft. But not 9+ ft. Wiki (I know, not trustworthy) says that the 9ft. was probably due to an error by a scribe. Does the LCMS allow for any errors in the Bible? I mean if these giants really were on the earth, it seems to me that bones would’ve been found. All I know of are hoaxes.

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      I realize no one has responded yet, but here’s another thing. Genesis reminds me of Greek mythology. Which came first, these Biblical stories or Greek mythology?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
        I’m also struggling with another aspect of Genesis. I’m taking a class on Genesis at the Lutheran Church I’ve been going to, taught by one of the pastors. Problem is the belief in giants. I’ve always avoided Genesis due to my problems believing stuff like giants, The Nephilim (sp) etc. Any help will be appreciated.
        Great topic of discussion, I will try to get back to you on this issue.

        Keep us updated on the class you are taking.

        harry

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
          Also, some Bibles list Goliath as being 9+ ft. tall whereas others list him as (I think) 6+ ft. tall. I can buy the 6+ ft. But not 9+ ft. Wiki (I know, not trustworthy) says that the 9ft. was probably due to an error by a scribe. Does the LCMS allow for any errors in the Bible? I mean if these giants really were on the earth, it seems to me that bones would’ve been found. All I know of are hoaxes.
          Goliath came from a particular family, rare enough to say that he was of the giant, 1Sam 7. I don't know how his people cared for the dead. That and the limited sample will figure in the probability of finding the remains of a body from that family.

          Not LCMS, but I doubt they allow for errors in the autographs. Errors by a scribe is probably another story as there plenty of those.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
            I realize no one has responded yet, but here’s another thing. Genesis reminds me of Greek mythology. Which came first, these Biblical stories or Greek mythology?
            Adam was the first man so I'll go with him having the earlier oral tradition.

            What is it about Genesis that reminds you of Greek mythology?
            Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

            Peace,
            BJ -Bear
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            • #7
              Here is something from Answers in Genesis about the Nephilim:

              https://answersingenesis.org/bible-c...-the-nephilim/

              it presents some interesting ideas. Hope this helps.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by harry View Post

                Great topic of discussion, I will try to get back to you on this issue.

                Keep us updated on the class you are taking.

                harry
                It’s only for four weeks, with two more classes to go, but I’ll keep you updated.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
                  Goliath came from a particular family, rare enough to say that he was of the giant, 1Sam 7. I don't know how his people cared for the dead. That and the limited sample will figure in the probability of finding the remains of a body from that family.

                  Not LCMS, but I doubt they allow for errors in the autographs. Errors by a scribe is probably another story as there plenty of those.

                  Does any LCMS know for sure if they allow for errors by scribes? Bonnie?

                  BJ, what do you mean by “errors in the autographs”?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post

                    Adam was the first man so I'll go with him having the earlier oral tradition.

                    What is it about Genesis that reminds you of Greek mythology?
                    Angels mating with humans,etc.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                      Does any LCMS know for sure if they allow for errors by scribes? Bonnie?

                      BJ, what do you mean by “errors in the autographs”?
                      Errors by scribes don't amount to much because they are known.

                      The autographs is a term sometimes used to refer to the originals. Most Christians and denominations believe they are without error.
                      Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                      Peace,
                      BJ -Bear
                      VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
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                      • #12
                        Bonnie, in the article you posted, when they talk about theories it says something about fallen angels mating with women. Does that mean the fallen angels embodied humans and mated or the angels (in angelic form) mated with the women?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post

                          Errors by scribes don't amount to much because they are known.

                          The autographs is a term sometimes used to refer to the originals. Most Christians and denominations believe they are without error.
                          So, in other words, it’s usually believed that the original writings are without error but the copies may contain errors? Bonnie, does the LCMS believe this?

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                          • #14

                            Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post

                            Errors by scribes don't amount to much because they are known.

                            The autographs is a term sometimes used to refer to the originals. Most Christians and denominations believe they are without error.
                            This is what the church says about the Bible, below. I sounds to me as if errors by scribes aren’t possible. Thoughts?

                            <<<<<<<<<<<<THE BIBLE

                            We believe the Bible is God’s Word to everyone. We believe it was written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we believe that these words are without error and are the infallible words of God. We believe these words tell the true story revealing to us who God is, what His amazing creation is, how He interacts with humanity, and His plan to save us and restore all things to perfection.>>>>>>>>>

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post


                              This is what the church says about the Bible, below. I sounds to me as if errors by scribes aren’t possible. Thoughts?

                              <<<<<<<<<<<<THE BIBLE

                              We believe the Bible is God’s Word to everyone. We believe it was written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we believe that these words are without error and are the infallible words of God. We believe these words tell the true story revealing to us who God is, what His amazing creation is, how He interacts with humanity, and His plan to save us and restore all things to perfection.>>>>>>>>>
                              I have only heard some LCMS people speak informally about this kind of thing so I am bowing out of the discussion with a closing comment. It seems to me that what is quoted above refers to the originals or autographs because I doubt they think scribes are inspired.
                              Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                              Peace,
                              BJ -Bear
                              VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
                              WELS

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