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A question for ethnic Jews on here...

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  • A question for ethnic Jews on here...

    I asked this question on the Judaism board, but it is such a little used board that I might not get much of an answer from anyone there.

    Anyway, there is a Mormon who thinks that a Gentile can mean even an ethnic Jew from a non-Jewish country, like Paul, or living outside of Israel. I have never, ever heard of anyone else making that claim. I asked him if the ethnic Jews living in the US would be Gentiles and he wrote:

    According to the definition you provided.. Yes, they would be. We tend not to call them gentiles, we tend not to call ourselves gentiles.
    And

    It all depends on how you define 'gentile' and from YOUR dictionary link.. the very first definition : a person of a non-Jewish nation. Which is consistent with what I said.. Paul was an apostle to the 'gentiles'.. Persons in non-Jewish NATIONS.. The person may or may not be a Jew by heritage or belief... Just living in a non-Jewish Nation. Paul himself was a 'gentile' by that definition.. He was a person living in a non-Jewish nation.. Tarsus was not Jewish.. He was a roman Citizen as well.. Even if he was a practicing an believing Jew. Hence that is why in Acts we see he usually is teaching to Jews in the local synagogue of non-Jewish nations.
    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...gentiles/page3 (this second quote comes from someplace in this link, but I forgot exactly where)

    In the blue quote box. Follow the arrow links to see the original. The "definition" I provided that he is referring to is this one from on-line Merriem-Webster:

    Definition of gentile


    (Entry 1 of 2)

    1often capitalized : a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith especially : a Christian as distinguished from a Jew
    . Anyway, he showed from the same dictionary that "of" can also mean "in" as in "the fish of the ocean." But I do not think that the M-W definition means a Jewish person living IN a non-Jewish nation but from or born in.

    I showed numerous Bible verses where distinctions were made between Jew and Gentile, circumcised and circumcised. And where Paul himself, in Acts 21 I think it is, calls himself a Jew from Tarsus in Cilicia. He NEVER referred to himself as a Gentile. And no place in the Bible, especially the NT, do I ever see a Jew living outside Israel being called a "Gentile."

    I think Jews have, for thousands of years, referred to non-Jews as Gentiles. Seems to me, they have first rights to the term and what it means. An you can read what I wrote in this thread in posts nos. 2,3, and 26, where I quoted plenty of Bible verses to back me up, that clearly call Jews living outside of Judea and Galilee "Jews".

    The beginning is here:

    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...ws-or-gentiles

    (please ignore the posts by Danno; he is going off on a tangent)

    So those of you who are ethnic Jews living outside of Israel...would you call yourselves "Gentiles"? Would that be correct?

    Last edited by Bonnie; 10-13-18, 04:47 PM.
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