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Why should methodists ever endorse gay behavior?

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  • Why should methodists ever endorse gay behavior?

    OR women pastorettes? OR other NON-BIBLICAL JUNK?
    God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

    I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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    nobody should

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    • #3
      Originally posted by davidbrainerd View Post
      nobody should
      I agree. More importantly, the BIBLE agrees.
      God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

      I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Morefish View Post
        OR women pastorettes? OR other NON-BIBLICAL JUNK?
        I Agee, Sign's Of The End Times!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Morefish View Post
          OR women pastorettes? OR other NON-BIBLICAL JUNK?
          So you don't identify as a Methodist. Great.

          We've already covered female clergy and you haven't listened. Would you like to cover homosexuality now?
          Wesleyan-Holiness, Church of the Nazarene

          It is time the Church Jesus Christ overcame the disjunctions created by the 16th-century Reformation... ++William Greathouse

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          • #6
            OR women pastorettes? OR other NON-BIBLICAL JUNK?

            morefish,

            There were plenty of women preachers even an apostle in the earliest days. Biblical too.


            "The roles of women in positions of leadership in the early
            church deserves special attention. It is clear that by the
            end of the second century the official leadership of the church
            was entirely masculine. But the matter is not quite as clear
            in earlier times. Particularly in the New Testament, there are
            indications that women also had postions of leadership. Phillip
            had four daughters who 'prophesied' - that is, who preached.
            Phoebe was a female deacon in Cenchreae, and Junia was counted
            among the apostles. What actually seems to have taken place is
            that during the second century, in its efforts to combat heresy,
            the church centralized its authority, and a by-product of that
            process was that women were excluded from positions of leadership.
            But still in the early years of the second century, Governor
            Pliny informed Trajan that he had ordered that two Christian
            female ministers- ministrae - be tortured."
            The Story of Christianity, Justol Gonzaliz, page 114.

            "It has caught modern attention that Andronicus and Junia
            (preferable to Junias) are "outstanding among the apostles" (Rom 16:7)
            Junia/Junias is most likely a womans name, and she may have been the
            wife of Andronicus. This identity would mean that Paul could apply
            the term "apostle" to a woman."
            Fr. Raymond Brown, An Introduction to the NT, page 574, Imprimatur.

            JohnR

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            • #7
              Originally posted by martureo View Post

              So you don't identify as a Methodist. Great.

              We've already covered female clergy and you haven't listened. Would you like to cover homosexuality now?

              I taught a methodist adult Sunday school as a non-methodist. . .saw six families with lives that changed, turned to Jesus Christ.

              And so far you have failed to demonstrate that Junia was ever a member of any 'female clergy' or anything other than looked upon favorably (well liked) by the apostles at all. No female clergy from you anywhere, so far.


              Rom 1:26-27
              26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
              NKJV


              Homosexual behavior = VILE passions = SIN.
              God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

              I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Morefish View Post


                I taught a methodist adult Sunday school as a non-methodist. . .saw six families with lives that changed, turned to Jesus Christ.

                And so far you have failed to demonstrate that Junia was ever a member of any 'female clergy' or anything other than looked upon favorably (well liked) by the apostles at all. No female clergy from you anywhere, so far.
                I doubt any evidence, even Junia showing up in person with the 12 Apostles confirming her status would convince you.

                Really, the standard is a double standard. You've never had a moment to prove whether male clergy or male pastors existed.
                Rom 1:26-27
                26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
                NKJV


                Homosexual behavior = VILE passions = SIN.
                Homosexuality is the sexual orientation and desire for the same sex.
                This is different than homosexual sex.

                Wesleyan-Holiness, Church of the Nazarene

                It is time the Church Jesus Christ overcame the disjunctions created by the 16th-century Reformation... ++William Greathouse

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Morefish View Post


                  I taught a methodist adult Sunday school as a non-methodist. . .saw six families with lives that changed, turned to Jesus Christ.

                  And so far you have failed to demonstrate that Junia was ever a member of any 'female clergy' or anything other than looked upon favorably (well liked) by the apostles at all. No female clergy from you anywhere, so far.


                  Rom 1:26-27
                  26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
                  NKJV


                  Homosexual behavior = VILE passions = SIN.
                  morefish,

                  Thanks for your work in the Methodist church. Paul said Junia was an apostle. Of course there was no clergy at all in the NT. But there were indeed females that preached.

                  JohnR

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by martureo View Post

                    So you don't identify as a Methodist. Great.

                    We've already covered female clergy and you haven't listened. Would you like to cover homosexuality now?
                    marturo,

                    Personally I leave sexuality up to the individual. Homosexuals are welcome in my church and hope they are also welcome in your church.
                    I did listen to you. I just disagree. I am happy with the female ordained pastors in my church. Paul said a femaie could prophesy (preach)
                    so that is good enough for me.

                    JohnR

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                      morefish,

                      Thanks for your work in the Methodist church. Paul said Junia was an apostle. Of course there was no clergy at all in the NT. But there were indeed females that preached.

                      JohnR
                      Didn't your mommy tell you not to tell lies? Junia was LIKED or NOTED by the apostles. . .that did NOT MAKE HER ONE.

                      I LIKE my car. . .my car is notable to me. . .that does NOT MAKE ME INTO A CAR.

                      NAME ONE female who preached. Betcha can't.

                      God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                      I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Morefish View Post

                        Didn't your mommy tell you not to tell lies? Junia was LIKED or NOTED by the apostles. . .that did NOT MAKE HER ONE.

                        I LIKE my car. . .my car is notable to me. . .that does NOT MAKE ME INTO A CAR.

                        NAME ONE female who preached. Betcha can't.
                        Betcha can't name a single male who preached outside of Peter.

                        Let's compare apples to apples.
                        Wesleyan-Holiness, Church of the Nazarene

                        It is time the Church Jesus Christ overcame the disjunctions created by the 16th-century Reformation... ++William Greathouse

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by martureo View Post

                          Betcha can't name a single male who preached outside of Peter.

                          Let's compare apples to apples.
                          Okay. . .I can SEE apples.

                          I cannot SEE junia or any other woman in the bible being a pastorette.

                          But of course I CAN SEE pastorettes in the methodist, despite Paul's statement that women should not have authority over men

                          BTW, Pastor means 'shepherd' and the shepherd DOES have authority over the flock.

                          Apples, my friend, apples. Nuttin but apples.

                          Junia is STILL never referred to as a 'pastor' OR an 'apostle.'

                          You are STILL left with. . .NOTHING
                          God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                          I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                            marturo,

                            Personally I leave sexuality up to the individual. Homosexuals are welcome in my church and hope they are also welcome in your church.
                            ...

                            JohnR
                            of course Homosexuals are welcome in my church. so are thieves, liars, adulterers. in fact; all sinners are welcome in my Church

                            Does the Bible teach that homosexual behavior is a sin?

                            or doesn't that matter to you or your church?
                            One of the ekklēsia

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                            • #15
                              I believe that where there is no adult male available, a woman can preach/lead.

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