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  • 2 major decisions from the UMC

    First is the plan to soften stand against homosexuality. This, near as I can tell, was not actually voted on, but left until next year (February?) when a special meeting has been set up to come up with a resolution, and probably make a change to the Book of Discipline.
    Personally, regardless of where you may stand on this, I rather suspect that the church will be greatly divided on this, possibly to point of formally and officially splitting.

    The second not as many talk about. But in the recent meeting, a constitutional amendment stating God is not Male of Female was only barely defeated. Approx. 100 votes separated the two. (Not exactly sure on the numbers...the article here states 65.5% favored the change, 66.7% said no. Just sayin')

    Your thoughts?

    For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice. Unknowm Author

    "That's Nice" Agnes Brown

    ďItís the Holy Spiritís job to convict, Godís job to judge, and itís my job to love.Ē

  • #2
    Originally posted by dale1257 View Post
    First is the plan to soften stand against homosexuality. This, near as I can tell, was not actually voted on, but left until next year (February?) when a special meeting has been set up to come up with a resolution, and probably make a change to the Book of Discipline.
    Personally, regardless of where you may stand on this, I rather suspect that the church will be greatly divided on this, possibly to point of formally and officially splitting.

    The second not as many talk about. But in the recent meeting, a constitutional amendment stating God is not Male of Female was only barely defeated. Approx. 100 votes separated the two. (Not exactly sure on the numbers...the article here states 65.5% favored the change, 66.7% said no. Just sayin')

    Your thoughts?
    The article says 66.5% voted in favor of it which means only 33.5% could have voted against it.

    It didn't pass because a two-thirds super majority (2/3 is 66.7%) is required to pass.
    "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4, NKJV)"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dale1257 View Post
      First is the plan to soften stand against homosexuality. This, near as I can tell, was not actually voted on, but left until next year (February?) when a special meeting has been set up to come up with a resolution, and probably make a change to the Book of Discipline.
      Personally, regardless of where you may stand on this, I rather suspect that the church will be greatly divided on this, possibly to point of formally and officially splitting.

      The second not as many talk about. But in the recent meeting, a constitutional amendment stating God is not Male of Female was only barely defeated. Approx. 100 votes separated the two. (Not exactly sure on the numbers...the article here states 65.5% favored the change, 66.7% said no. Just sayin')

      Your thoughts?
      Update: I just read this AM that the vote will be re-taken due to a mistake in the wording. It seems that it was changed, but the original was on the ballot, and not the revised.
      The amendment that failed to pass on Monday was centered on gender equality, but a sentence "that should not have been included in the amendment was removed by a vote of 746Ė56" was "inadvertently included in the version that was distributed," the denomination said in a statement.
      For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice. Unknowm Author

      "That's Nice" Agnes Brown

      ďItís the Holy Spiritís job to convict, Godís job to judge, and itís my job to love.Ē

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dale1257 View Post
        First is the plan to soften stand against homosexuality.This, near as I can tell, was not actually voted on, but left until next year (February?) when a special meeting has been set up to come up with a resolution, and probably make a change to the Book of Discipline.
        Personally, regardless of where you may stand on this, I rather suspect that the church will be greatly divided on this, possibly to point of formally and officially splitting.

        Your thoughts?
        Why would a church that claims to be a church of God ignore what God has to say about homosexuality? (For the record, God says that it's sin, period.) We are to love the sinner, but not the sin.

        1 Cor 6:9-11
        9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        Verse 11 states that "some of you were", which, by implication, means that they had changed. The individual is supposed to change, not the church. Paul plainly stated the qualifications required for holding an official office within the church. There is no evidence that God has "softened" on these requirements. It's a change that should not have even been considered.
        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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        • #5

          There is no evidence that God has "softened" on these requirements. It's a change that should not have even been considered.
          That may be true, however, there are clear indications that the UMC may well 'soften' it's stance, as others have already done. Which will likely lead to a major split, which is what I said to start with.


          For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice. Unknowm Author

          "That's Nice" Agnes Brown

          ďItís the Holy Spiritís job to convict, Godís job to judge, and itís my job to love.Ē

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dale1257 View Post

            That may be true, however, there are clear indications that the UMC may well 'soften' it's stance, as others have already done. Which will likely lead to a major split, which is what I said to start with.

            2 Peter 2:1-2
            But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them ó bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

            1 Tim 6:3-5
            If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.


            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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            • #7
              In regard to this matter of homosexuality, I remember back in the early 1960's my (then) Presbyterian pastor and some elders(?) went to the annual synod. When they returned, the pastor gave a talk about what was decided at the meeting. One of the issues they discussed was about homosexuality. It was decided that it would no longer be considered a sin by the Presbyterian USA council. My pastor was a man of God who was a Bible-believing man. He told us that we owned the church building and the land it was on, and we were leaving the Presbyterian USA organization. My respect for my pastor went up several notches.
              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dale1257 View Post

                That may be true, however, there are clear indications that the UMC may well 'soften' it's stance, as others have already done. Which will likely lead to a major split, which is what I said to start with.

                Not an entirely bad thing. Let the sheep be removed from among the goats, and let a smaller but stronger Methodist Church carry the banner.

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