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  • #61
    Originally posted by Morefish View Post

    YOU MUST MEAN they are not things YOU yourself believe.

    After all, NOBODY BUT PENTECOSTALS seem to DO THOSE THINGS. Junk like:
    the toronto experience
    'slain in the spirit'
    'holy laughter'

    WHOSE JUNK DO YOU THINK THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
    I was in Toronto. I know the experience first-hand. What do you know outside of gossip you read?

    The priests of God couldn't stand to minister when the Holy Spirit came into the temple...What evidence do you have beyond a flaccid form of godliness that denies the power in every post? I'm suggesting you have perhaps a strident claim...almost like "name it and claim it..." faith.

    Could you show me in scriptures where laughter is mentioned...and laughter in worship is unholy?

    Can you list what "Christian Baptists" allow, and match it to scripture anywhere? There isn't a single meeting in the Bible where Christians gather week after week, and nothing happens but a trained performer recites a speech he wrote, and worship is limited to twenty-one minutes and three songs that have been rehearsed all week...

    BTW can you read this without the all caps and bold-faced lettering, or do you need that to UNDERSTAND it? I didn't feel like formatting this morning, But I can fix it if it helps you read.
    Pete

    ~(8-[)}<><===> (flames of new anointing, béret, non-prescription glasses to help critics and their ilk feel more secure, mustache, beard...and tie.) I serve a God who walked this earth for thirty years before He did a single miracle.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Morefish View Post

      YOU MUST MEAN they are not things YOU yourself believe.

      After all, NOBODY BUT PENTECOSTALS seem to DO THOSE THINGS. Junk like:
      the toronto experience
      'slain in the spirit'
      'holy laughter'

      WHOSE JUNK DO YOU THINK THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
      Whew. It's amazing to me why anyone would get his bowels in an uproar over what someone else does in their Christian worship service. If they are not trying to impost their beliefs on you, why all the fuss? Do you think they are clogging up your access to the Father?

      If you think what you're doing to is to try to get others to leave their relationship with the Father to join you, I wouldn't recommend that you hold your breath.

      I grew up in Presbyterian churches, but left when I was an early teenager because of one thing: I wasn't seeing anything there that resembled what I read had happened in the New Testament churches. I visited other Protestant churches over the years and never saw anything that resembled the New Testament churches either. It wasn't until I visited a Word of Faith church that I saw a resemblance of the New Testament church, and that's where I got born again and I've stayed since 1982.

      So, you can have your "God doesn't do _______ anymore" religion. I'll stick with Heb 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
      Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

      Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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      • #63
        tbeachhead replied
        04-18-19, 05:44 AM
        Originally posted by Morefish View Post
        YOU MUST MEAN they are not things YOU yourself believe.

        After all, NOBODY BUT PENTECOSTALS seem to DO THOSE THINGS. Junk like:
        the toronto experience
        'slain in the spirit'
        'holy laughter'

        WHOSE JUNK DO YOU THIN
        K THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
        I was in Toronto. I know the experience first-hand. What do you know outside of gossip you read?

        .https://www[ Stuff like this video of it. . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P5B5Brz_lc (Esp note the 'physical manifestations' section at about 1:28 into the thing) Not gossip as you would slander me with. ]

        .
        Gotta go. Work calls.
        God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

        I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Morefish View Post
          K THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
          I was in Toronto. I know the experience first-hand. What do you know outside of gossip you read?

          (Esp note the 'physical manifestations' section at about 1:28 into the thing) Not gossip as you would slander me with. ]


          Gotta go. Work calls.
          So...nothing but gossip.

          Your doctrine is drawn from a YouTube video. Your scandal is deliberate and artificial...the video was published so you would be scandalized. It worked great.

          Like I said...I was there. John Arnott spent time in Turkey with Andrew Brunson, proving his courage and determination to spread the gospel in hostile lands...and your own testimony? YouTube teaches?

          Not impressed. Have you checked out the three first threads on the Charismatic board yet? Or were there scriptures there you didn't want to look at?
          Pete

          ~(8-[)}<><===> (flames of new anointing, béret, non-prescription glasses to help critics and their ilk feel more secure, mustache, beard...and tie.) I serve a God who walked this earth for thirty years before He did a single miracle.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


            when one says, "I am of Baptist." “I am of Paul,”
            and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?
            (1 Co 3:4).


            That carnality is conformed
            by the superiority of this Baptist over Pentecostals.

            [ PURE UNADULTERATED HOG-WASH. ]


            Carry on with the abuse for that has been proven
            to be a sin for which the answer hasn't been understood.

            [ You must think Jesus sinned when he called folks vipers or whitewashed tombs too, huh? Fighting fables and slanders is 'sin?' I don't think so. ]


            Every post this superior Baptist makes is a testament
            of not being able to overcome persistent sin.

            Sir, I don't want to be a part of that BAD NEWS.
            So instead, you prefer to make up YOUR OWN 'bad news' with sslanders and fables? I have never considered myself 'superior' at all, and persistent sin is not mine here. It CERTAINLY DOES appear to be yours.
            God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

            I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by tbeachhead View Post

              Well...actually fellowship unstinted...When you build a wall or a fence, you're not offering much along those lines.
              Then what ARE you offering?
              God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

              I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Morefish View Post

                YOU claim that it is not remarkable. I have never made such a claim. Not one word ever said anything about hypocrisy or pride, or anything of the sort. You are talking nonsense.
                (Chuckle) Even when somebody agrees with you, you still gotta fight 'em.

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                • #68
                  beachhead replied
                  04-18-19, 10:33 AM
                  Originally posted by Morefish View Post
                  K THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
                  I was in Toronto. I know the experience first-hand. What do you know outside of gossip you read?

                  (Esp note the 'physical manifestations' section at about 1:28 into the thing) Not gossip as you would slander me with. ]


                  Gotta go. Work calls.
                  So...nothing but gossip.

                  Your doctrine is drawn from a YouTube video. Your scandal is deliberate and artificial...the video was published so you would be scandalized. It worked great.

                  Like I said...I was there. John Arnott spent time in Turkey with Andrew Brunson, proving his courage and determination to spread the gospel in hostile lands...and your own testimony? YouTube teaches?

                  Not impressed. Have you checked out the three first threads on the Charismatic board yet? Or were there scriptures there you didn't want to look at?
                  Gossip and scandal? No. Video EVIDENCE and TRUTH. Just because you don't like the person (of MANY persons you seem to not like) who posted the video and choose to spread YOUR OWN GOSSIP AND SCANDAL with NO evidence to support it, does not mean I should be impressed by YOU.

                  The threads you talk about are supposedly about you doing your pentecostalbabble 'thing.' IF YOU HAVE SCRIPTURE that shows that what sounds YOU make ARE Biblical tongues at all, WHY NOT POST THEM HERE? THEN WE CAN ALL SEE THEM.

                  So far you have FAILED to find any, apparently.
                  God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                  I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                  • #69
                    AlFin replied
                    04-18-19, 09:37 AM
                    Originally posted by Morefish View Post
                    YOU MUST MEAN they are not things YOU yourself believe.

                    After all, NOBODY BUT PENTECOSTALS seem to DO THOSE THINGS. Junk like:
                    the toronto experience
                    'slain in the spirit'
                    'holy laughter'

                    WHOSE JUNK DO YOU THINK THAT JUNK IS? OBVIOUSLY we CHRISTIAN BAPTISTS don't do it. So WHO BESIDES MODERN-DAY "PENTECOSTALS" DO IT?
                    Whew. It's amazing to me why anyone would get his bowels in an uproar over what someone else does in their Christian worship service. If they are not trying to impost their beliefs on you, why all the fuss? Do you think they are clogging up your access to the Father?

                    [ You mean like that JEWISH MAN Jesus Who didn't like the money changers in the temple, and 'made up a fuss' over it where HE came to worship? ]

                    If you think what you're doing to is to try to get others to leave their relationship with the Father to join you, I wouldn't recommend that you hold your breath.

                    [ Do you make this garbage up as you go? I have NEVER ONCE IN MY LIFE EVER asked ANYONE to leave their relationship with God. Your trashy SLANDER is noted. ]

                    I grew up in Presbyterian churches, but left when I was an early teenager because of one thing: I wasn't seeing anything there that resembled what I read had happened in the New Testament churches. I visited other Protestant churches over the years and never saw anything that resembled the New Testament churches either. It wasn't until I visited a Word of Faith church that I saw a resemblance of the New Testament church, and that's where I got born again and I've stayed since 1982.

                    [ So YOU DECIDED what 'resembles in the New Testament churches' and because YOU CHOSE to trash your relationship with all of those non-rcc churches, you CHOSE to go with those who do stuff THEY MAKE UP and pretend it came from God instead? You need to study your BIBLE wiithout 'reading into' it your own apriori beliefs.

                    So, you can have your "God doesn't do _______ anymore" religion.

                    [ That may describe YOU and YOUR BELIEFS. I don't have any religion like that. ]

                    I'll stick with Heb 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
                    You might be surprised at what practices he would braid a whip and chase out of YOUR church!!!!
                    God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                    I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Morefish View Post

                      So instead, you prefer to make up YOUR OWN 'bad news' with sslanders and fables? I have never considered myself 'superior' at all, and persistent sin is not mine here. It CERTAINLY DOES appear to be yours.
                      Much superior at Christendom over Pentecostals.



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                      • #71
                        Conqueror replied
                        04-19-19, 09:22 PM
                        Originally posted by Morefish View Post
                        So instead, you prefer to make up YOUR OWN 'bad news' with sslanders and fables? I have never considered myself 'superior' at all, and persistent sin is not mine here. It CERTAINLY DOES appear to be yours.
                        Much superior at Christendom over Pentecostals.
                        Your slander is noted.
                        God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                        I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Morefish View Post
                          Gossip and scandal? No. Video EVIDENCE and TRUTH.
                          Here's a newsflash. The edited videos on YouTube are neither evidence, nor forcibly truth...

                          ...but we know from where you get your "evidence" and your "truth." You have zero scriptural evidence. Gossip and scandal. Simple as that.

                          Just because you don't like the person (of MANY persons you seem to not like) who posted the video and choose to spread YOUR OWN GOSSIP AND SCANDAL with NO evidence to support it, does not mean I should be impressed by YOU.
                          There's nobody I don't like. The gossip and the scandal monger I worry for, because there is description of their fate in scriptures that is worrisome.

                          The threads you talk about are supposedly about you doing your pentecostalbabble 'thing.' IF YOU HAVE SCRIPTURE that shows that what sounds YOU make ARE Biblical tongues at all, WHY NOT POST THEM HERE? THEN WE CAN ALL SEE THEM.
                          And now I know you did not read them...

                          Did the scripture confuse you? That's all I talked about.

                          Here's another newsflash: There is NO SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS SOUNDS. Your argument is and continues to be, of course, specious.

                          BTW...in kindness, I recorded actual sounds...but then...you didn't want to answer that post either.

                          So far you have FAILED to find any, apparently.
                          So far, you have avoided scripture and accused me of absurdity...and in that, at least, you have not failed.
                          Pete

                          ~(8-[)}<><===> (flames of new anointing, béret, non-prescription glasses to help critics and their ilk feel more secure, mustache, beard...and tie.) I serve a God who walked this earth for thirty years before He did a single miracle.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by tbeachhead View Post
                            There is NO SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS SOUNDS.

                            BTW...in kindness, I recorded actual sounds...
                            Attention seeking behaviour.

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                            • #74
                              tbeachhead replied
                              04-20-19, 10:37 AM
                              Originally posted by Morefish View Post
                              Gossip and scandal? No. Video EVIDENCE and TRUTH.
                              Here's a newsflash. The edited videos on YouTube are neither evidence, nor forcibly truth...

                              ...but we know from where you get your "evidence" and your "truth." You have zero scriptural evidence. Gossip and scandal. Simple as that.

                              [ Let's see now. . .I show you VIDEO OF PENTECOSTALS DOING those things, YOU pretend the video is 'gossip or scandal' while pretending it was NOT pentecostals doing it. FACTS AND EVIDENCE which you deny with your whines. ]

                              Just because you don't like the person (of MANY persons you seem to not like) who posted the video and choose to spread YOUR OWN GOSSIP AND SCANDAL with NO evidence to support it, does not mean I should be impressed by YOU.
                              There's nobody I don't like. The gossip and the scandal monger I worry for, because there is description of their fate in scriptures that is worrisome.

                              [ Of course that apparently includes everyone you post to here, imho. ]

                              The threads you talk about are supposedly about you doing your pentecostalbabble 'thing.' IF YOU HAVE SCRIPTURE that shows that what sounds YOU make ARE Biblical tongues at all, WHY NOT POST THEM HERE? THEN WE CAN ALL SEE THEM.
                              And now I know you did not read them...

                              [ Just as in THIS POST, YOU HAVE NOT EVER FOUND EVEN ONE Scripture that connects the babble you do with the tongues of the Bible. ]

                              Did the scripture confuse you? That's all I talked about.

                              [ NOT HERE, you didn't. ALL you did is as you are now. . .make false and spurious claims. ]

                              Here's another newsflash: There is NO SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS SOUNDS. Your argument is and continues to be, of course, specious.

                              BTW...in kindness, I recorded actual sounds...but then...you didn't want to answer that post either.

                              You recorded (and expected me to bother listening to) sounds you cannot connect to REAL LANGUAGE. In ACTS 2, the hearers UNDERSTOOD when tongues were spoken IN THEIR OWN REAL HUMAN LANGUAGES. Why should I bother to listen to you making noises that have no REAL MEANING TO ANYONE AT ALL? ]

                              So far you have FAILED to find any, apparently.
                              So far, you have avoided scripture and accused me of absurdity...and in that, at least, you have not fail
                              WHAT scripture have you ever provided that connects what you do today with what they did then? NONE, of course, just as in THIS POST and your last half-dozen posts. NOTHING more than false claims and excuses imho.

                              Rev 21:8
                              8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
                              NKJV


                              NOW SHOW US YOUR scripture in which YOU CLAIM your noises of today are REALLY 'Biblical tongues.'

                              So far you have posted NONE.
                              God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                              I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Ruk

                                You've never heard someone claim Jews are descendants of Jacob? Or, you're just playing dumb? Pentecostals are the most self-deceiving class of anyone who imagines they know Christ.
                                This is so non-sequitur, it makes no sense at all...What are you talking about? In your previous rant, you posted macabre accusations against an entire nation: "Rejection of Jesus and following a book that curses Jesus to boiling excrement is makes [sic] someone a Jew, today. Dispensationalists claim that Jews have a certain DNA making them children of God. Therefore, cursing Jesus to boiling excrement changes the DNA of the covert [sic], making those who reject Christ divine.

                                Yeah, it's stupid and demonic, but it's Pentecostals believe, not me. Tongues is of the Devil. If this were not so, you could refute me"

                                Can you tell me what "cursing to excrement" has to do with "claiming they are descendants of Jacob?" Besides the convenient way you have of assigning all your enemies to specific straw boxes, I'm wondering if you're a raving anti-semite...or just playing dumb...In any case, your posts won't last long here, your epithets are ill-chosen.
                                Pete

                                ~(8-[)}<><===> (flames of new anointing, béret, non-prescription glasses to help critics and their ilk feel more secure, mustache, beard...and tie.) I serve a God who walked this earth for thirty years before He did a single miracle.

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