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Converts to Catholicism "pathological" if they notice Pope is a heretic

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  • #16
    I am a convert and I don't think Francis is a heretic.

    What frustrates me with the Holy Father is that he refuses to clarify his teachings to those who don't understand them. Even I go back and forth between confusion and understanding. He is not the best at communication, and we need some real help out here. I think it's a kind of arrogance that he assumes those who complain are simply rebellious rather than that we are confused. It is part of his job description that he teach and clarify.
    Open Heart, Hebrew Catholic
    “God never abandoned his covenant with Israel" Pope Francis
    "It is unthinkable that [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel." Cardinal Lustiger

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Open Heart View Post
      I am a convert and I don't think Francis is a heretic.

      What frustrates me with the Holy Father is that he refuses to clarify his teachings to those who don't understand them. Even I go back and forth between confusion and understanding. He is not the best at communication, and we need some real help out here. I think it's a kind of arrogance that he assumes those who complain are simply rebellious rather than that we are confused. It is part of his job description that he teach and clarify.
      He doesn't want to be understood. He confuses on purpose. That's the only logical conclusion. He is playing by a Marxist type playbook that you create confusion and chaos to overturn the system you seek to destroy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by davidbrainerd View Post

        He doesn't want to be understood. He confuses on purpose. That's the only logical conclusion. He is playing by a Marxist type playbook that you create confusion and chaos to overturn the system you seek to destroy.
        What possible proof do you have that he confuses on purpose? I've never met a human being that wanted to confuse on purpose.
        Open Heart, Hebrew Catholic
        “God never abandoned his covenant with Israel" Pope Francis
        "It is unthinkable that [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel." Cardinal Lustiger

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

          What possible proof do you have that he confuses on purpose? I've never met a human being that wanted to confuse on purpose.
          Of course you never met such a person because such people are people in power, who sought that power to destroy institutions, people like Obama and Bergoglio. What proof? Common sense. That some people cannot see that Obama and Bergoglio only sought/seek power to destroy the West is their own problem. I can't eradicate invincible ignorance.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by davidbrainerd View Post

            Of course you never met such a person because such people are people in power, who sought that power to destroy institutions, people like Obama and Bergoglio. What proof? Common sense. That some people cannot see that Obama and Bergoglio only sought/seek power to destroy the West is their own problem. I can't eradicate invincible ignorance.
            I have great intuition when it comes to people. I think it is you that doesn't understand what is going on with Pope Francis and the Catholic Church. There is no desire to deliberately confuse people. He simply has terrible communication skills and an ego.
            Open Heart, Hebrew Catholic
            “God never abandoned his covenant with Israel" Pope Francis
            "It is unthinkable that [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel." Cardinal Lustiger

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

              I have great intuition when it comes to people. I think it is you that doesn't understand what is going on with Pope Francis and the Catholic Church. There is no desire to deliberately confuse people. He simply has terrible communication skills and an ego.
              Either way the papacy is proven to be an institution of men, not of God.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by davidbrainerd View Post

                Either way the papacy is proven to be an institution of men, not of God.
                It's scriptural. We've posted the scriptures many times. You may interpret these scriptures differently, but you can't deny that we've posted them.
                Open Heart, Hebrew Catholic
                “God never abandoned his covenant with Israel" Pope Francis
                "It is unthinkable that [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel." Cardinal Lustiger

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                  It's scriptural. We've posted the scriptures many times. You may interpret these scriptures differently, but you can't deny that we've posted them.
                  Proverbs 30:33 "Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood": so the twisting of scripture bringeth forth false doctrine.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                    What possible proof do you have that he confuses on purpose? I've never met a human being that wanted to confuse on purpose.
                    You've never met a person that wanted to confuse on purpose?

                    Politicians do this kind of thing all the time.

                    Distract, point over there, avoid answering questions, ask other question in reply to questions, talk out both sides of one's mouth.

                    obfuscate... to deliberately make things more confusing in order to conceal the truth.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                      You've never met a person that wanted to confuse on purpose?

                      Politicians do this kind of thing all the time.

                      Distract, point over there, avoid answering questions, ask other question in reply to questions, talk out both sides of one's mouth.

                      obfuscate... to deliberately make things more confusing in order to conceal the truth.
                      Okay you are right. But not by saying opposites.
                      Open Heart, Hebrew Catholic
                      “God never abandoned his covenant with Israel" Pope Francis
                      "It is unthinkable that [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel." Cardinal Lustiger

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