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    I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?
    Of course. No problem at all!!! They're not because a collection of old men in dresses and funny hats in Rome SAY THEY'RE NOT. They make the rules according to their Heartburn du jour.

    In Reality, SIN is SIN, and it ALL results in death if it's not removed. There's no such thing as "Venial", or "Mortal", there's no such thing as "Purgatory", and "Excommunication" doesn't mean SPIT in the spiritual absolute.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
      I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?
      Where did you hear this?
      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
        I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?

        Generally the Church excommunicates those baptized Catholics who have committed sins against the Faith such as those who abandon the true faith to embrace schism or heresy or to promote heresy. Aside from being strictly punitive, it is also medicinal in that, it is intended, not so much to punish the one excommunicated, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness and back into the fold of Holy Mother Church.

        The most serious sin, far more serious than murder or rape, is the sin of heresy, and promulgating heresy to others. If someone commits murder, they have killed the body only, but if someone leads people away from the one true religion, it is their eternal soul that they have put in jeopardy. The sins of Luther and the other "reformers" are still increasing over time as their heresies have led people and continue to lead people away from or to prevent them from entering into the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Their punishment in hell increases with each soul that their heresies have taken away and continue to take away from the Catholic Church or prevented from becoming Catholic.

        I am not making a particular judgement on any individual soul. I used Luther as an example. Only God knows if he repented of his many heresies and sins before he died, although he gave no indication of doing so.
        "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          Of course. No problem at all!!! They're not because a collection of old men in dresses and funny hats in Rome SAY THEY'RE NOT. They make the rules according to their Heartburn du jour.

          In Reality, SIN is SIN, and it ALL results in death if it's not removed. There's no such thing as "Venial", or "Mortal", there's no such thing as "Purgatory", and "Excommunication" doesn't mean SPIT in the spiritual absolute.
          Then why did St Paul excommunicate a man in 1 Cor 5 if it didn't mean anything?
          May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on Earth, and under the Earth by all the creatures of God and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Philomena View Post

            Then why did St Paul excommunicate a man in 1 Cor 5 if it didn't mean anything?
            Did you ever read 2 Cor ?? Naturally that has nothing to do with what the Catholics do.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post
              The sins of Luther and the other "reformers" are still increasing over time as their heresies have led people and continue to lead people away from or to prevent them from entering into the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Their punishment in hell increases with each soul that their heresies have taken away and continue to take away from the Catholic Church or prevented from becoming Catholic.
              OOh!!! - evocative!!!!! Meaningless, but evocative.
              Last edited by Bob Carabbio; 03-13-18, 06:41 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post


                Generally the Church excommunicates those baptized Catholics who have committed sins against the Faith such as those who abandon the true faith to embrace schism or heresy or to promote heresy. Aside from being strictly punitive, it is also medicinal in that, it is intended, not so much to punish the one excommunicated, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness and back into the fold of Holy Mother Church.

                The most serious sin, far more serious than murder or rape, is the sin of heresy, and promulgating heresy to others. If someone commits murder, they have killed the body only, but if someone leads people away from the one true religion, it is their eternal soul that they have put in jeopardy. The sins of Luther and the other "reformers" are still increasing over time as their heresies have led people and continue to lead people away from or to prevent them from entering into the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Their punishment in hell increases with each soul that their heresies have taken away and continue to take away from the Catholic Church or prevented from becoming Catholic.

                I am not making a particular judgement on any individual soul. I used Luther as an example. Only God knows if he repented of his many heresies and sins before he died, although he gave no indication of doing so.
                So give us an example of what heresy does one do to be excommunicated? What heresy did Luther do? Would he be excommunicated today?

                JohnR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post


                  Generally the Church excommunicates those baptized Catholics who have committed sins against the Faith such as those who abandon the true faith to embrace schism or heresy or to promote heresy. Aside from being strictly punitive, it is also medicinal in that, it is intended, not so much to punish the one excommunicated, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness and back into the fold of Holy Mother Church.

                  The most serious sin, far more serious than murder or rape, is the sin of heresy, and promulgating heresy to others. If someone commits murder, they have killed the body only, but if someone leads people away from the one true religion, it is their eternal soul that they have put in jeopardy. The sins of Luther and the other "reformers" are still increasing over time as their heresies have led people and continue to lead people away from or to prevent them from entering into the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Their punishment in hell increases with each soul that their heresies have taken away and continue to take away from the Catholic Church or prevented from becoming Catholic.

                  I am not making a particular judgement on any individual soul. I used Luther as an example. Only God knows if he repented of his many heresies and sins before he died, although he gave no indication of doing so.
                  Thank God for Martin Luther. We now have churches that do not hunt down heretics to kill and torture them.

                  Who is the heretic? The killed or the killer?

                  JohnR

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                    I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?
                    All of that is auto-excommunication. It doesn't NEED to be certified, ink and paper. But you are lucky if it is. The second you commit a serious sin it is in effect.

                    Excommunication means you are not allowed the Eucharist.

                    You have a better game complaining the other extreme. Even missing church one week is an excommunication.

                    Just to clarify it is a safety net tool so you don't compound it with another sin of taking communion in a unworthily manner, and to alert you that by those actions you actually refuse yourself to be in communion.

                    It does not mean you are kicked out, once catholic, always catholic.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
                      I have heard that murder, rape, or sexual abuse of children are not listed by the RCC as crimes worthy of excommunication. Can someone explain why not?
                      Committing a mortal sin is not grounds for excommunication. A person can sin, and still respect the church. Most of the reasons for excommunication are things which show deep sacrilege and lack of repentence, such as official heresy, a priest breaking the seal of the confessional, desecrating the Eucharist, etc. Those who commit mortal sins are barred from heaven and must repent and confess.
                      Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                      For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by utilyan View Post
                        Excommunication means you are not allowed the Eucharist.
                        No it doesn't. While excommunicant may not receive communion, not all who are barred from communion are excommunicants.

                        An excommunication is an official sanction, unlike the regular commission of a mortal sin, and excommunicants are barred from all sacraments, even confession.
                        Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                        For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by highrigger View Post

                          So give us an example of what heresy does one do to be excommunicated? What heresy did Luther do? Would he be excommunicated today?

                          JohnR
                          One example would be to publicly and pertinaciously deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, which is a public profession of heresy.

                          The only people that would be excommunicated by the Modernist Novus Ordo religion today are actual Catholics.
                          "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by highrigger View Post
                            What heresy did Luther do?
                            He attacked the authority of the Church, proclaiming sola scriptura.
                            Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                            For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by utilyan View Post

                              All of that is auto-excommunication. It doesn't NEED to be certified, ink and paper. But you are lucky if it is. The second you commit a serious sin it is in effect.

                              Excommunication means you are not allowed the Eucharist.

                              You have a better game complaining the other extreme. Even missing church one week is an excommunication.

                              Just to clarify it is a safety net tool so you don't compound it with another sin of taking communion in a unworthily manner, and to alert you that by those actions you actually refuse yourself to be in communion.

                              It does not mean you are kicked out, once catholic, always catholic.
                              Committing a mortal sin does not excommunicate one from the Church.
                              "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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