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    Mr. Bergoglio reassures a boy that his deceased Atheist father; "his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, he was a good man. It's nice that a son says that about his father, that he "was good". If that man was able to raise his children like that, then he was a good man. God is proud of your father. God has the heart of a father, your father was a good man, he is in heaven with Him, be sure."

    http://www.lastampa.it/2018/04/15/va...FL/pagina.html
    "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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    Ephesians 2:88
    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-

    If being a ""good"" man would save you then there was no need for Jesus to give His blood and life on that Roman cross!!

    YES!!! Even God rejecting fathers can love their children.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post
      Mr. Bergoglio reassures a boy that his deceased Atheist father; "his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, he was a good man. It's nice that a son says that about his father, that he "was good". If that man was able to raise his children like that, then he was a good man. God is proud of your father. God has the heart of a father, your father was a good man, he is in heaven with Him, be sure."

      http://www.lastampa.it/2018/04/15/va...FL/pagina.html
      "...there is none good but one, that is, God..." (Matthew 19:17)

      "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3:12)

      "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

      "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)
      Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word. So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word. (Ps. 119:41-42)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post
        Mr. Bergoglio reassures a boy that his deceased Atheist father; "his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, he was a good man. It's nice that a son says that about his father, that he "was good". If that man was able to raise his children like that, then he was a good man. God is proud of your father. God has the heart of a father, your father was a good man, he is in heaven with Him, be sure."

        http://www.lastampa.it/2018/04/15/va...FL/pagina.html
        committing a sinful act but being sincerely ignorant of the fact that it is sinful makes one less culpable for that sin. jesus said, 'father forgive them for they know not what they do" the pope may have this in mind when talking to the boy but no one knows exactly what is in the hearts of men. if the atheist has a suspicion that something is sinful and does not do anything to educate himself on that issue, he will bear the consequence for it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

          committing a sinful act but being sincerely ignorant of the fact that it is sinful makes one less culpable for that sin. jesus said, 'father forgive them for they know not what they do" the pope may have this in mind when talking to the boy but no one knows exactly what is in the hearts of men. if the atheist has a suspicion that something is sinful and does not do anything to educate himself on that issue, he will bear the consequence for it.
          Well if Atheists get to heaven for being ignorant, what do we need a "pope" for?
          "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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          • #6
            1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post
              Mr. Bergoglio reassures a boy that his deceased Atheist father; "his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, he was a good man. It's nice that a son says that about his father, that he "was good". If that man was able to raise his children like that, then he was a good man. God is proud of your father. God has the heart of a father, your father was a good man, he is in heaven with Him, be sure."

              http://www.lastampa.it/2018/04/15/va...FL/pagina.html
              So the Pope said something nice to a grieving boy.

              How horrible!

              He should have, in front of an audience, told the young boy his father was burning in hell for all eternity, and that he deserved it!

              Really?
              This crucifix is for us a book with hieroglyphics of might and power, to enable us to read in a second, at one glance, what it otherwise would take us five minutes to read in the Bible. We have often instructed poor slaves who cannot read. We have told them what Jesus has done for them, arid shown them the crucifix, and thus appealed to their eyes and ears in far less time than by any other method." ~ Rt. Rev. John Timon, Prefect to the Republic of Texas

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                committing a sinful act but being sincerely ignorant of the fact that it is sinful makes one less culpable for that sin. jesus said, 'father forgive them for they know not what they do" the pope may have this in mind when talking to the boy but no one knows exactly what is in the hearts of men. if the atheist has a suspicion that something is sinful and does not do anything to educate himself on that issue, he will bear the consequence for it.
                "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:19-20)

                "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" (Romans 2:14-15)

                ATHEISM and atheist are words formed from Greek roots and with Greek derivative endings. Nevertheless they are not Greek ; their formation is not consonant with Greek usage. In Greek they said atheos and atheotes ; to these the English words
                ungodly and ungodliness correspond rather closely. In exactly the same way as ungodly, atheos was used as an expression of severe censure and moral condemnation ; this use is an old one, and the oldest that can be traced. Not till later do we find it employed to denote a certain philosophical creed ; we even meet with philosophers bearing atheos as a regular surname. We know very little of the men in question ; but it can hardly be doubted that atheos, as applied to them, implied not only a denial of the gods of popular belief, but a denial of gods in the widest sense of the word, or Atheism as it is nowadays understood. (source)

                "Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish (to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish)" (Psalm 1:5-6)

                ungodly ~ H7563 - rasha` - The word indicates people who are enemies of God and His people, wicked (hostile to God), in the wrong, criminal, transgressor.
                Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word. So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word. (Ps. 119:41-42)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kmerian View Post

                  So the Pope said something nice to a grieving boy.

                  How horrible!

                  He should have, in front of an audience, told the young boy his father was burning in hell for all eternity, and that he deserved it!

                  Really?
                  Lying is nice?

                  "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men..." (2 Corinthians 5:11); "But speaking the truth in love..." (Ephesians 4:15)

                  "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." (2 Timothy 2:24-26)
                  Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word. So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word. (Ps. 119:41-42)

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                  • #10
                    Of all people can't we expect a true man of God to speak the TRUTH???

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kmerian View Post

                      So the Pope said something nice to a grieving boy.

                      How horrible!

                      He should have, in front of an audience, told the young boy his father was burning in hell for all eternity, and that he deserved it!

                      Really?
                      Get real! Bergoglio doesn't believe in a hell, remember?
                      "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kmerian View Post

                        So the Pope said something nice to a grieving boy.

                        How horrible!

                        He should have, in front of an audience, told the young boy his father was burning in hell for all eternity, and that he deserved it!

                        Really?
                        I found it troubling. My first though was maybe a bad translation. I found a video of the encounter where it looks like he told the audience his views but it's in Spanish so I don't know what he said. If you know Spanish you can find the video on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkeGXQEh_GY

                        Would it be wrong for the pope to tell an audience that his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, so he was a good man and is in heaven?
                        Last edited by logix; 04-16-18, 10:39 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by boldirishlass View Post

                          Lying is nice?

                          "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men..." (2 Corinthians 5:11); "But speaking the truth in love..." (Ephesians 4:15)

                          "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." (2 Timothy 2:24-26)
                          So, you would have told the grieving child, his father is burning in hell?

                          No, lying is not nice.

                          But having compassion for a grieving child is.
                          This crucifix is for us a book with hieroglyphics of might and power, to enable us to read in a second, at one glance, what it otherwise would take us five minutes to read in the Bible. We have often instructed poor slaves who cannot read. We have told them what Jesus has done for them, arid shown them the crucifix, and thus appealed to their eyes and ears in far less time than by any other method." ~ Rt. Rev. John Timon, Prefect to the Republic of Texas

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                            Get real! Bergoglio doesn't believe in a hell, remember?
                            Read his recent encyclical, he makes it pretty clear there is a hell.
                            This crucifix is for us a book with hieroglyphics of might and power, to enable us to read in a second, at one glance, what it otherwise would take us five minutes to read in the Bible. We have often instructed poor slaves who cannot read. We have told them what Jesus has done for them, arid shown them the crucifix, and thus appealed to their eyes and ears in far less time than by any other method." ~ Rt. Rev. John Timon, Prefect to the Republic of Texas

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by logix View Post

                              I found it troubling. My first though was maybe a bad translation. I found a video of the encounter where it looks like he told the audience his views but it's in Spanish so I don't know what he said. If you know Spanish you can find the video on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkeGXQEh_GY

                              Would it be wrong for the pope to tell an audience that his father was an atheist, yet he had his four children baptized, so he was a good man and is in heaven?
                              Why do you find it troubling?

                              What would you have had him say?
                              This crucifix is for us a book with hieroglyphics of might and power, to enable us to read in a second, at one glance, what it otherwise would take us five minutes to read in the Bible. We have often instructed poor slaves who cannot read. We have told them what Jesus has done for them, arid shown them the crucifix, and thus appealed to their eyes and ears in far less time than by any other method." ~ Rt. Rev. John Timon, Prefect to the Republic of Texas

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