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  • Where does pope francis get any authority. . .

    beyond the scope of his own rcc religious group
    God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

    I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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    The Pontiff is also a head of state, and the Vatican is recognized and has diplomatic relations with all nations except Afghanistan, Bhutan, the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Tuvalu.
    Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might. [Psalm 132:8 (RSVCE)]

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post
      The Pontiff is also a head of state, and the Vatican is recognized and has diplomatic relations with all nations except Afghanistan, Bhutan, the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Tuvalu.
      He still sits on the white porcelain throne just like you and I do. I am referring to authority FROM GOD, not by man and manmade institutions like the rcc. Those other groups may LISTEN to him, but he cannot ENFORCE any 'authority' over them. They 'recognize' him, but do not consider themselves to be in any way or manner 'under his authority.'

      EDITED.
      Last edited by Mod10; 05-17-18, 07:29 AM.
      God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

      I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Morefish View Post

        He still sits on the white porcelain throne just like you and I do. I am referring to authority FROM GOD, not by man and manmade institutions like the rcc. Those other groups may LISTEN to him, but he cannot ENFORCE any 'authority' over them. They 'recognize' him, but do not consider themselves to be in any way or manner 'under his authority.'

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        Your OP asked a direct question. Sorry that there was a factual answer you didn’t like. If you wanted to restrict the discussion to matters within the Church, you could have (and should have) specified.
        Last edited by Mod10; 05-17-18, 07:29 AM.
        Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might. [Psalm 132:8 (RSVCE)]

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

          Your OP asked a direct question. Sorry that there was a factual answer you didnít like. If you wanted to restrict the discussion to matters within the Church, you could have (and should have) specified.
          since frankie has NO AUTHORITY outside of his church OVER ANYONE ANYWHERE, you should have UNDERSTOOD THE OP's thrust. Your intentional ignorance is noted. 'Being recognized' and being 'a diplomat' has no REAL authority over ANYONE AT ALL. I'm sorry if you are confused by the English language.
          God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

          I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Morefish View Post
            beyond the scope of his own rcc religious group
            from god himself, being the successor of peter.............

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Morefish View Post

              since frankie has NO AUTHORITY outside of his church OVER ANYONE ANYWHERE, you should have UNDERSTOOD THE OP's thrust. Your intentional ignorance is noted. 'Being recognized' and being 'a diplomat' has no REAL authority over ANYONE AT ALL. I'm sorry if you are confused by the English language.
              Let's see now ...

              The thread title is: Where does pope francis get any authority. . .

              which continues in the body of the OP: ...beyond the scope of his own rcc religious group.

              Thus: Where does Pope Francis get any authority beyond the scope of his own rcc religious group?

              If one reads that as a complete thought expressed in the English language as an interrogative, you actually got a precise, on point answer in response.

              As you consider the Catholic Church to be "his own rcc religious group", then his authority within than "group" is irrelevant, as you asked specifically about his authority beyond it.

              Furthermore, when sovereign states recognize each other diplomatically, they are mutually affirming the legitimacy of their national status and the authority of their respective sovereigns.

              So don't have the brass to declare that I am confused by the English language. Your ad hominem aside, you got the answer your question demanded. Perhaps it was you who didn't understand your own question, or couldn't see past your own hatred to express it effectively.
              Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might. [Psalm 132:8 (RSVCE)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                from god himself, being the successor of peter.............
                Says WHO, frankie's minions? GOD HIMSELF NEVER MADE ANYONE a pope. Frankie has NO authority OVER ANYONE outside of his own corrupt religion. And NOT ONE WORD FROM GOD either. NOT making Peter a pope, NOT make frankie a pope, or head of ANYthing. NOTHING FROM GOD.
                Last edited by Morefish; 05-16-18, 10:09 PM.
                God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Morefish View Post

                  Says WHO, frankie's minions? GOD HIMSELF NEVER MADE ANYONE a pope. Frankie has NO authority OVER ANYONE outside of his own corrupt religion. And NOT ONE WORD FROM GOD either. NOT making Peter a pope, NOT make frankie a pope, or head of ANYthing. NOTHING FROM GOD.
                  Says who? Your personal interpretations of a book you aren't qualified to privately interpret?
                  The son of Mary isn't half God or one-third God. He is fully God.

                  "No one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. (1Cor 12:3)"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by logix View Post

                    Says who? Your personal interpretations of a book you aren't qualified to privately interpret?
                    Why do Catholics always degrade Scripture as "a book"?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by logix View Post

                      Says who? Your personal interpretations of a book you aren't qualified to privately interpret?
                      Says ME, the HOLY SPIRIT, and ALL NON-rcc folks everywhere.

                      Are YOU qualified to privately interpret what your priest privately interprets of what his bishop privately interprets of what the ccc writers privately interpreted?

                      I didn't THINK so. . .


                      God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                      I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

                        Why do Catholics always degrade Scripture as "a book"?
                        Because they follow it only when convenient, just like the mormons and other cultists do.
                        God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

                        I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Morefish View Post

                          Says WHO, frankie's minions? GOD HIMSELF NEVER MADE ANYONE a pope. Frankie has NO authority OVER ANYONE outside of his own corrupt religion. And NOT ONE WORD FROM GOD either. NOT making Peter a pope, NOT make frankie a pope, or head of ANYthing. NOTHING FROM GOD.
                          The word 'pope' is just a title. It is used to denote the bishop of Rome, the successor of Peter, hence the chief pastor of the One true Church.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                            The word 'pope' is just a title. It is used to denote the bishop of Rome, the successor of Peter, hence the chief pastor of the One true Church.
                            The only problem with that the Catholic church isn't the one true church.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Angels_Sing View Post

                              The only problem with that the Catholic church isn't the one true church.
                              Then, which church?

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