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  • Poor human reason dictates that prophets and apostles should be subject to teachers

    Originally posted by Chrysostom View Post

    the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of ecclesiastical and catholic interpretation."

    Poor human reason, when it trusts in itself, substitutes the strangest absurdities for the highest divine concepts.” ~ St. John Chrysostom
    Poor human reason dictates
    that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

    should be subject to third ranking teachers
    (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).
    There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

    Which is ordered by God and contains only
    foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


    But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
    on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
    which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

  • #2
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    Poor human reason dictates
    that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

    should be subject to third ranking teachers
    (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).
    Poor human reason, when it trusts in itself, substitutes the strangest absurdities for the highest divine concepts.” ~ St. John Chrysostom

    Originally posted by Chrysostom View Post

    "But here some one perhaps will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation? For this reason, – because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters.

    For Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian, another, Iovinian, Pelagius, Celestius, another, lastly, Nestorius another. Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of ecclesiastical and catholic interpretation." (Commonitory, Chapter II).
    No matter how just your words may be, you ruin everything when you speak with anger.” ~ St. John Chrysostom

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    • #3
      Poor human reason dictates
      that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

      should be subject to third ranking teachers
      (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).


      Originally posted by Chrysostom View Post

      Poor human reason, when it trusts in itself, substitutes the strangest absurdities for the highest divine concepts.” ~ St. John Chrysostom
      The fools who trust in themselves
      have declared themselves to be infallible.

      The strangest absurdity,
      as omniscience is required for infallibility.


      There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

      Which is ordered by God and contains only
      foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


      But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
      on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
      which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
        Poor human reason dictates
        that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

        should be subject to third ranking teachers
        (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).




        The fools who trust in themselves
        have declared themselves to be infallible.

        The strangest absurdity,
        as omniscience is required for infallibility.

        A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape. [Proverbs 19:5 (ESV)]
        No matter how just your words may be, you ruin everything when you speak with anger.” ~ St. John Chrysostom

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        • #5
          Poor human reason dictates
          that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

          should be subject to third ranking teachers
          (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).



          Originally posted by Chrysostom View Post

          A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape. [Proverbs 19:5 (ESV)]
          Precisely !!!

          Hell awaits those sons of perdition,
          who elevated themselves.



          those who desire an opportunity to be regarded
          just as we are in the things of which they boast.
          For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
          transforming themselves into apostles of Chris
          t (2 Co 11:12-13).
          There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

          Which is ordered by God and contains only
          foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


          But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
          on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
          which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
            Poor human reason dictates
            that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

            should be subject to third ranking teachers
            (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).





            Precisely !!!

            Hell awaits those sons of perdition,
            who elevated themselves.



            those who desire an opportunity to be regarded
            just as we are in the things of which they boast.
            For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
            transforming themselves into apostles of Chris
            t (2 Co 11:12-13).
            Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? [James 4:11-12 (ESV)]
            No matter how just your words may be, you ruin everything when you speak with anger.” ~ St. John Chrysostom

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            • #7

              Do not alter another posters post as you did
              WARNING
              Last edited by Mod8; 06-08-18, 09:54 PM.
              There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

              Which is ordered by God and contains only
              foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


              But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
              on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
              which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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              • #8
                Poor human reason dictates
                that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                should be subject to third ranking teachers
                (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).



                Originally posted by Chrysostom View Post

                Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? [James 4:11-12 (ESV)]
                I spoke no evil !!!!!


                I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder
                that you may be mindful of the words
                which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
                and of the commandment of us,
                the apostles of the Lord and Saviour
                (2 Pe 3:1-2).

                Recall any other than those prophets and apostles
                and an impure mind is the result !!!!

                See I can support everything with scripture.



                There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

                Which is ordered by God and contains only
                foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


                But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
                on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
                which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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                • #9

                  Poor human reason dictates
                  that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                  should be subject to third ranking teachers
                  (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).



                  Originally posted by Facts_of_Truth View Post

                  Because the concept of Sola Scriptura is found absolutely nowhere in the Bible, on the contrary the Bible points to the Church as the final EARTHLY Authority in Truth and in Interpretation.

                  Pretty Simple really...
                  Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                  by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                  to place themselves on top of the pile.

                  Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.
                  There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

                  Which is ordered by God and contains only
                  foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


                  But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
                  on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
                  which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                    Poor human reason dictates
                    that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                    should be subject to third ranking teachers
                    (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).





                    Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                    by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                    to place themselves on top of the pile.

                    Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.
                    Considering that I did not post in this...thread? Or chat? Why are you copying and pasting something I said?

                    Have I said anything to so in such a manner? I don't really think so. So, may I ask, why do you address me like this?

                    Also, what on earth are you even saying? Is English not your first language? You really need to reword all of this so that it can make a small amount of sense, because right now it doesn't.

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                    • #11

                      Poor human reason dictates
                      that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                      should be subject to third ranking teachers
                      (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).



                      Originally posted by Facts_of_Truth View Post

                      Because the concept of Sola Scriptura is found absolutely nowhere in the Bible, on the contrary the Bible points to the Church as the final EARTHLY Authority in Truth and in Interpretation.

                      Pretty Simple really...
                      Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                      by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                      to place themselves on top of the pile.

                      Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.



                      Originally posted by Facts_of_Truth View Post

                      Considering that I did not post in this...thread? Or chat? Why are you copying and pasting something I said?

                      Have I said anything to so in such a manner? I don't really think so. So, may I ask, why do you address me like this?

                      Also, what on earth are you even saying? Is English not your first language? You really need to reword all of this so that it can make a small amount of sense, because right now it doesn't.


                      Catholic teachings which denigrate the word of God
                      by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                      to make the pope the top dog, do not make sense.

                      There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

                      Which is ordered by God and contains only
                      foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


                      But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
                      on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
                      which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                        Poor human reason dictates
                        that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                        should be subject to third ranking teachers
                        (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).





                        Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                        by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                        to place themselves on top of the pile.

                        Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.





                        Correct.

                        Catholic teachings which denigrate the word of God
                        by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                        to make the pope the top dog, do not make sense.

                        There isn't a single Catholic teaching or believe that denigrates the word of God. Not a single one.

                        What confirmation are you even talking about? I asked what you were trying to say because I can't make head or tails of your statements.

                        So, can you please explain to me 1) why you quoted me in this thread when I wasn't in it in the first place, and 2) exactly what type of discussion are you trying to have with me? Thanks

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                          Poor human reason dictates
                          that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                          should be subject to third ranking teachers
                          (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).





                          Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                          by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                          to place themselves on top of the pile.

                          Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.




                          Catholic teachings which denigrate the word of God
                          by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                          to make the pope the top dog, do not make sense.



                          Originally posted by Facts_of_Truth View Post

                          There isn't a single Catholic teaching or believe that denigrates the word of God. Not a single one.
                          You were told the truth three times,
                          but you tell me that you cannot hear;

                          for that I believe you.
                          There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

                          Which is ordered by God and contains only
                          foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


                          But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
                          on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
                          which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                            Poor human reason dictates
                            that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                            should be subject to third ranking teachers
                            (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).





                            Third ranking teachers reject the written word of God
                            by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                            to place themselves on top of the pile.

                            Thanks for the confirmation that I understood it correctly.




                            Catholic teachings which denigrate the word of God
                            by the foundational prophets and first ranking apostles
                            to make the pope the top dog, do not make sense.





                            You were told the truth three times,
                            but you tell me that you cannot hear;

                            for that I believe you.
                            Considering that you believe that Jesus is different between Matthew and John and Mark and Luke, I hardly accept your random words as "truth", especially when all it reads is as random ramblings.

                            Perhaps you should take some time to formally lay out your thoughts so others may be able to follow, instead of them being all jumbled up? You still haven't told me the reason why you quoted me in this thread, or what it is you even want to discuss.

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                            • #15

                              Poor human reason dictates
                              that foundational prophets and first ranking apostles

                              should be subject to third ranking teachers
                              (Eph 2:20, 2 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).



                              Originally posted by Facts_of_Truth View Post

                              Considering that you believe that Jesus is different between Matthew and John and Mark and Luke, I hardly accept your random words as "truth", especially when all it reads is as random ramblings.

                              Perhaps you should take some time to formally lay out your thoughts so others may be able to follow, instead of them being all jumbled up? You still haven't told me the reason why you quoted me in this thread, or what it is you even want to discuss.
                              Introducing a red herring and continuing to attack the messenger
                              isn't refuting what I posted.

                              A massive FAIL !!!!


                              There will be a Great Awakening to the Apostolic Canon.

                              Which is ordered by God and contains only
                              foundational prophets and apostles (Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3:1-2)


                              But sleepy Christendom became intoxicated (Rev 17:2).
                              on the poisonous darnel in the 'Roman Canon' (Mat 13:25),
                              which was compiled by UNINSPIRED early church FATHERS

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