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  • Unam Sanctam isn't binding on all the faithful,


    According Catholics: is this true?

    "Unam Sanctam
    isn't binding on all the faithful"

    According to Catholics: is this infallible?

    ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
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  • #2
    Originally posted by tester View Post
    According Catholics: is this true?

    "Unam Sanctam
    isn't binding on all the faithful"

    According to Catholics: is this infallible?

    ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
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    • #3
      Originally posted by tester View Post
      According Catholics: is this true?

      "Unam Sanctam
      isn't binding on all the faithful"

      According to Catholics: is this infallible?

      ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
      Funny how the "original" documents came up missing huh?

      I know I was taught that as a kid..
      Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tester View Post
        According Catholics: is this true?

        "Unam Sanctam
        isn't binding on all the faithful"

        According to Catholics: is this infallible?

        ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
        Clearly another gospel which puts Rome and its followers under God's anathema...

        If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. C.H. Spurgeon

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tester View Post
          According Catholics: is this true?

          "Unam Sanctam
          isn't binding on all the faithful"

          According to Catholics: is this infallible?

          ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
          is this true ?
          "Unam Sanctam is infallible for the person it was addressed to."
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          • #6
            Originally posted by tester View Post
            According Catholics: is this true?

            "Unam Sanctam
            isn't binding on all the faithful"

            According to Catholics: is this infallible?

            ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
            Yes, it is absolutely binding.
            "The Holy Roman Church condemns, rejects, anathematizes and declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

              Yes, it is absolutely binding.
              Maybe with catholics, but not with Christians who believe and trust in Jesus for salvation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                Yes, it is absolutely binding.
                for everyone? or just "for the person it was addressed to."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mysterium Fidei View Post

                  Yes, it is absolutely binding.
                  Is JoeT presenting the correct Catholic understanding of Unam Sanctam?
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                  Originally posted by JoeT View Post
                  ....

                  Unam Sanctam is infallible for the person it was addressed to.
                  ...
                  JoeT
                  Originally posted by JoeT View Post
                  ...
                  I know you tried hard but Unam Sanctam is a Papal Bull. Papal Bulls are written to heads of state, in 1302 A.D. that would be a king or queen. In the case of Unam Sanctam it was Pope Boniface VIII and Philip the Fair, King of France. But, you knew that, didn't you?

                  Nevertheless, the Bull binding on the King of France; "it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.



                  Once again the Unam Sanctam isn't binding on all the faithful, nevertheless it is strong advise that one be subject to the Roman Pontiff to gain Salvation.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tester View Post
                    According Catholics: is this true?

                    "Unam Sanctam
                    isn't binding on all the faithful"

                    According to Catholics: is this infallible?

                    ""Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.""
                    Why, are you asking this question?

                    unless you are scared 'unam sanctam' is true.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                      why, are you asking this question?

                      Unless you are scared 'unam sanctam' is true.
                      Because I am having a discussion with JoeT about Catholic doctrine and I while making a point I present what I think is the Catholic understanding of unam sanctam.

                      In a rebuttal to my point , JoeT offers a view I have never heard before..(see post 9) so that is why I am asking.

                      It is called presuppositional apologetics; which attempts to identifying the underlying assumptions that other points are built upon.

                      If the the underlying assumptions are in error , then the points or conclusions based on the assumption are false.(or invalid)

                      That is why I ask.
                      Last edited by tester; 07-09-18, 08:11 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DMBD View Post

                        Maybe with catholics, but not with Christians who believe and trust in Jesus for salvation.
                        If it's true, it is true for everyone, including you. Just like contraception. Contraception being an implicitly evil act is not just true for Catholics, but everyone, Christian or non-Christian.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tester View Post

                          for everyone? or just "for the person it was addressed to."
                          What happened to "every human creature" ?
                          Goats love their tea!

                          Strong's #3982

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DMBD View Post

                            Maybe with catholics, but not with Christians who believe and trust in Jesus for salvation.
                            Only in their minds. Has no bearing on reality.
                            Goats love their tea!

                            Strong's #3982

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peitho View Post

                              What happened to "every human creature" ?
                              See post 9
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