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    Did Jesus Christ institute a New Testament priesthood?
    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
    Did Jesus Christ institute a New Testament priesthood?
    The Priesthood continues the Apostolic model. Jesus saw fit to specially choose a group of men who were receptive to His Spirit and taught them not only about the New Covenant God was making with His people... but importantly about His very nature as both a man and God , what we describe as "consubstantial with the Father". This group operated as a brotherhood of leaders commissioned to stand for Christ after His ascension into heaven. They were privy to His mysteries in a way that the following generations would need to accept by faith. "Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe" (John 20 29) Their commission involved real communion and agreement on essential beliefs to preserve the truth. They taught strongly against the type of disagreement that resulted in broken communion and literal division on matters of faith and morals.

    So my faith in the institution of the Church and requirement to submit to and obey it (Heb 13 17)... is confirmed by the Apostolic model of collegial brotherhood (Priesthood)the Church has maintains to this day.
    The crones love their cliques!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

      The Priesthood continues the Apostolic model.
      ...
      So my faith in the institution of the Church and requirement to submit to and obey it (Heb 13 17)... is confirmed by the Apostolic model of collegial brotherhood (Priesthood)the Church has maintains to this day.
      Your faith is in an institution? I figured.
      1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
        Your faith is in an institution? I figured.
        Their faith is built on sand propped up by laws and bylaws,

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
          Did Jesus Christ institute a New Testament priesthood?
          Short answer? Yes.

          Long answer? Obviously yes.
          “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
            Your faith is in an institution? I figured.
            Just as Paul articulated to the Ephesians and to us all... Eph 4 11 The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ.
            The crones love their cliques!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post
              Did Jesus Christ institute a New Testament priesthood?
              Yes.

              Luke 22:19 and 1 Corinthians 11:24.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                Your faith is in an institution? I figured.
                Christ instituted His Church with law and order. I know such a concept of law and order might be foreign to you, but it is what it is.
                Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia, Ibi Deus
                "Where Peter is, there is the Church, there is God."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post

                  Short answer? Yes.

                  Long answer? Obviously yes.
                  Why would Christ institute a NT priesthood to mediate salvation to men and forgiveness of sins through confession and penance?
                  RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                    The Priesthood continues the Apostolic model. Jesus saw fit to specially choose a group of men who were receptive to His Spirit and taught them not only about the New Covenant God was making with His people... but importantly about His very nature as both a man and God , what we describe as "consubstantial with the Father". This group operated as a brotherhood of leaders commissioned to stand for Christ after His ascension into heaven. They were privy to His mysteries in a way that the following generations would need to accept by faith. "Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe" (John 20 29) Their commission involved real communion and agreement on essential beliefs to preserve the truth. They taught strongly against the type of disagreement that resulted in broken communion and literal division on matters of faith and morals.

                    So my faith in the institution of the Church and requirement to submit to and obey it (Heb 13 17)... is confirmed by the Apostolic model of collegial brotherhood (Priesthood)the Church has maintains to this day.
                    To bad your "faith" isn't in the Lord Jesus Christ. Then you would be guided by the Holy Spirit to fully understand that Scripture teaches that the entire priesthood and the sacrificial system have been abolished by Jesus Christ. There is no more human priesthood and no more sacrifice for sin, merc. Therefore, in the NT, there is no mention made of any group of men set apart to minister as priests. The NT specifically teaches that Christ has become the fulfilment of the OT priesthood, and He is now the only mediator between God and man. (1Tim. 2:5). The human priesthood established under the Mosaic Law has been set aside, fulfilled in and by Christ. He has come and has perfectly fulfilled the requirements for salvation. He Himself is the perfect sacrifice and priest. There is no need for continuing sacrifices or a continuing priesthood because He has been sacrificed once for all, and made a priest forever. The allusion to Melchizedek is to emphasize the eternal and exclusive nature of the priesthood of Christ.
                    RC's do know God, but the Bible indicates that it is a knowledge in condemnation, a knowledge enabling them to know things about themselves and the world around them, even though they suppress the truth of God which makes such knowledge possible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                      The Priesthood continues the Apostolic model. Jesus saw fit to specially choose a group of men who were receptive to His Spirit and taught them not only about the New Covenant God was making with His people... but importantly about His very nature as both a man and God , what we describe as "consubstantial with the Father". This group operated as a brotherhood of leaders commissioned to stand for Christ after His ascension into heaven. They were privy to His mysteries in a way that the following generations would need to accept by faith. "Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe" (John 20 29) Their commission involved real communion and agreement on essential beliefs to preserve the truth. They taught strongly against the type of disagreement that resulted in broken communion and literal division on matters of faith and morals.

                      So my faith in the institution of the Church and requirement to submit to and obey it (Heb 13 17)... is confirmed by the Apostolic model of collegial brotherhood (Priesthood)the Church has maintains to this day.
                      was that always so or else when did it happen?

                      major differences in the 'faith' of catholics and that of one who is born again. My faith is in Christ alone and I submit my life to Him, not man.


                      "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                      The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                        So my faith in the institution of the Church and requirement to submit to and obey it (Heb 13 17)... is confirmed by the Apostolic model of collegial brotherhood (Priesthood)the Church has maintains to this day.
                        Submit to their Authority and Dominion over you
                        ++edit++
                        ++edit++

                        have you never read

                        Matt.20:24
                        Jesus called them unto him, and said,
                        Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
                        and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
                        +++edit+++ to the direct command of Christ
                        26 But it shall not be so among you:
                        ++++edit+++
                        Christ gave no man nor any council of men in any size, shape, for nor fashion
                        any Authority nor Dominion over the Church
                        in fact; he even fobade that to his Apostles
                        yes, that includes Peter

                        +++edit+++
                        "You cannot serve man and God"
                        Last edited by Mod9; 07-10-18, 03:11 PM. Reason: Edited for personl comments

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

                          Christ instituted His Church with law and order. I know such a concept of law and order might be foreign to you, but it is what it is.
                          Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                          Just as Paul articulated to the Ephesians and to us all... Eph 4 11 The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ.
                          You're either begging or pirating; Jesus never instituted a Church which would inquisition to death and take away Bibles from blood washed redeemed sinners, and teach two sinless mediators and advocates.
                          1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                            Why would Christ institute a NT priesthood to mediate salvation to men and forgiveness of sins through confession and penance?
                            Because they're a participation of His priesthood, where he receives our confessions and forgives us for our sins?

                            By the way, we should all agree that Jesus did institute the priesthood of believers at the very least.
                            “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Raynebeau View Post

                              To bad your "faith" isn't in the Lord Jesus Christ. Then you would be guided by the Holy Spirit to fully understand that Scripture teaches that the entire priesthood and the sacrificial system have been abolished by Jesus Christ. There is no more human priesthood and no more sacrifice for sin, merc. Therefore, in the NT, there is no mention made of any group of men set apart to minister as priests. The NT specifically teaches that Christ has become the fulfilment of the OT priesthood, and He is now the only mediator between God and man. (1Tim. 2:5). The human priesthood established under the Mosaic Law has been set aside, fulfilled in and by Christ. He has come and has perfectly fulfilled the requirements for salvation. He Himself is the perfect sacrifice and priest. There is no need for continuing sacrifices or a continuing priesthood because He has been sacrificed once for all, and made a priest forever. The allusion to Melchizedek is to emphasize the eternal and exclusive nature of the priesthood of Christ.
                              Working backwards my answer is that of Simon Peter when Jesus asked the Apostles if they were leaving Him too. ôLord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life." John 6 68

                              When Paul spoke the words to the Ephesians that I quoted above, I'm drawn to all those things by my faith in Christ and I genuinely cannot find such a communion of gifts like that apart from the Apostolic model of Church of Catholicism. So my faith in Jesus Christ draws me powerfully into the Church and His Real Presence..

                              Eph 4 11 The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until all of us come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to maturity, to the measure of the full stature of Christ.
                              The crones love their cliques!

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