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  • #16
    Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
    As many of you are aware, most Christians of all churches and communities recognize at least one Church council, that of the Council of Jerusalem in Acts.
    And as many of you probably know, there have been more since that time.

    Of all of these church councils, which is the last council you accept as teaching orthodox Christianity?
    And why do you reject the succeeding council, whatever that may be?
    Here is a list; http://mb-soft.com/believe/txw/orthcoun.htm

    Why? It's what the Church has done by the guidance of the Holy Trinity.
    In accordance with the Apostolic faith delivered to us by tradition from the Fathers, I have delivered the tradition, without inventing anything extraneous to it. What I have learned, that I inscribed, comfortably with the Holy Scriptures

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Iakobos View Post
      Here is a list; http://mb-soft.com/believe/txw/orthcoun.htm

      Why? It's what the Church has done by the guidance of the Holy Trinity.
      The RCs follow a different set of councils and a different set of teachings than the EOs.

      Yet all of you claim your particular set of councils was done by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Yet all of you claim that all Christ followers should follow and obey your particular set of councils...of course insisting that this is what God wants.

      The EOs know darn well God did not say to follow and obey the Roman Catholic set of councils...and the RCs know darn well that God did not say to follow and obey just the EO set of councils.

      Yet all of you want the rest of us to take your word for it....even though you are all impotent at convincing each other!

      LOL.

      ...

      "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Atemi View Post

        Nah. I do not recognize councils of men. I recognize the Word of God. In the case of Jerusalem, the latter confirmed the former.

        That is the problem with Catholics: they vow to believe and obey any and everything their councils teach or will ever come up with in the future.

        This shows a total lack of love for the truth. This is the result of the cult mind at full throttle.

        Christ followers do not seek councils, but instead always seek to follow the Word of God and the witness of the Apostles.

        ...
        Well, you acknowledge the Council of Jerusalem. And as you see according to CARM, they acknowledge the 7 ecumenical councils agreed upon by most/all Christians.

        By the way, you say "the witness of the Apostles". The Apostles held a council to determine what should happen in the community. This was imitated for the next thousand years.
        Why reject what the Apostles did and what the Christian Church did?

        Unless you realize you don't belong to historical Christianity.
        “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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        • #19
          Geralt_De_Sales

          I believe because Evangelicalism is aberrant to Historical Christianity,

          We get to see some evangelicals believe Jesus was created by God.

          Originally posted by mica View Post
          Jesus was notimmaculately conceived

          would have been born with sin if God hadn't intervened

          He was created by God, not born
          or believe Jesus can be split in two

          Originally posted by tester View Post

          Jesus descendant of Abraham from the line of David, son of Mary, Son of Man, the Lamb of God, the last Adam died on the Cross: killed by a few Roman soldiers.
          His life ceased

          The Christ, the Supreme Creator of all, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Eternal, the Logos, the Sustainer of ALL things, the Great I AM, the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." did not die on the Cross
          His life never ceases
          or believe God performed the first in-vitro with Jesus as prepared body that was implanted inside of Mary for incubation

          Originally posted by ETGO View Post

          See my last post.. and I will not answer this question again. If you forget the answer I gave you this time can search it out next time.

          God did do it via HIS HOLY SPIRIT..... HE did not have sexual intercourse tantric or carnally with Miriam, He prepared a body and implanted it in the womb.. end of discussion.

          God performed the very first surgery on Adam, do you think HE is not capable of performing invetro fertilization?
          or believe the incarnation did not happen or it is a non-essential

          Originally posted by nan View Post
          Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post

          Did Mary carry God in her womb? Yes or No?
          No.

          Originally posted by LovetheLord View Post
          Originally posted by valleygem View Post

          I used to believe the same about that too. I'm leaning more towards that God did not use her egg. Just recently I've read a good article on why. But either way isn't crucial on our salvation.

          Interesting. And agreed, it is not an issue we must agree on. It's a non-essential, but Catholics seem to want to make it an essential for some reason.

          Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

          God can't be born. Glad you agree.






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          • #20
            Originally posted by Atemi View Post

            There is no "question" to address.
            Yes there is. I'm asking you, in the history of Christian councils going all the way back to Jerusalem, which ones do you accept? You've clearly said you reject all of them (and the Christian teachings that they defended).

            Originally posted by Atemi
            The Apostles did not teach anyone to make sure to believe and obey whatever future supposed "councils" dictate. That would be as dumb as all get out, and Christ followers know better.
            The Apostles taught the Church to follow their leaders, the Bishops, Elders and Deacons. Because of their authority, they could call a council to determine truth against lies, misunderstandings and heresies. This was seen in famous councils like the First Council of Nicea, which rejected Arianism.

            Instead, rejecting the councils would be dumb, as that's how you end up with non-Christian religions like the Watchtower and the Mormons.

            The Apostles and the early church did not need nor did they even nod to any of your silly councils. They knew nothing of them, and they meant nothing to them, as the Apostles and the churches they planted turned their world upside down for Christ.
            The Apostles were all dead by the time the next council came about. The early Church though understood and held to the councils, which clearly defended Christian doctrines against heresies.
            https://carm.org/what-are-the-dates-...hurch-councils This link will help you understand why you're wrong.

            Of course, even Roman Catholics cherry pick the parts of their councils they want to believe and obey...and the parts they take upon themselves to ignore. We are all supposed to be impressed by this.
            I'm confused. You deny that Christians have councils, and then argue that those who have councils cherry pick them. Do you want to show me where you've found such evidence, Atemi?

            “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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            • #21
              Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post
              Geralt_De_Sales

              I believe because Evangelicalism is aberrant to Historical Christianity,

              We get to see some evangelicals believe Jesus was created by God.



              or believe Jesus can be split in two



              or believe God performed the first in-vitro with Jesus as prepared body that was implanted inside of Mary for incubation



              or believe the incarnation did not happen or it is a non-essential
              Do you ever long for the day these kinds of posts actually say what you want them to say?
              Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post
                Do you ever long for the day these kinds of posts actually say what you want them to say?
                catholics seem fine with pretending that they say what they want them to say. just like they do with scripture...

                they'll even base a doctrine on what they pretend that something says...



                "I was changed, redeemed, forgiven before the blood was dry.

                The debt I owed was canceled in the twinkling of an eye."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post
                  Do you ever long for the day these kinds of posts actually say what you want them to say?
                  Let's take one quote.

                  Underline the part I misrepresented from the following quote

                  Originally posted by nan View Post
                  Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post

                  Did Mary carry God in her womb? Yes or No?

                  No.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CatholicScripture View Post

                    Let's take one quote.

                    Underline the part I misrepresented from the following quote


                    Nan gave another answer i see you chose not to include in your mini drama.

                    Originally posted by nan View Post


                    Never said that. If Mary had given birth to Theos she would have birthed a spirit. Did she? Yes or no.
                    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                      Nan gave another answer i see you chose not to include in your mini drama.
                      You can't birth spirits, you give birth to persons. Jesus (the person) is God. Is Jesus a spirit, then?
                      “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post

                        You can't birth spirits, you give birth to persons. Jesus (the person) is God. Is Jesus a spirit, then?
                        You can't give birth to spirits. Which was Nan's basic argument if I read her correctly. Can you then "carry" a spirit? Which was cs's argument.

                        This whole line of reasoning by catholics is nothing more than an effort to legitimize your flawed dogma of Mary as theotokos.
                        Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                          You can't give birth to spirits. Which was Nan's basic argument if I read her correctly. Can you then "carry" a spirit? Which was cs's argument.

                          This whole line of reasoning by catholics is nothing more than an effort to legitimize your flawed dogma of Mary as theotokos.
                          I would argue that yes, you can carry a spirit because it's part of a person. In this case, Jesus, being fully God and fully Man, was carried by Mary. Which is, again, why Mary is the mother of God, because that's who Jesus is.

                          It's Christian doctrine that defended Christology from heretics in 431 A.D.
                          “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                            Nan gave another answer i see you chose not to include in your mini drama.
                            And? it says the same nan doesn't believe Mary carried God in her womb, because of the spirit. She is splitting God just like tester does

                            Originally posted by tester View Post

                            Jesus descendant of Abraham from the line of David, son of Mary, Son of Man, the Lamb of God, the last Adam died on the Cross: killed by a few Roman soldiers.
                            His life ceased

                            The Christ, the Supreme Creator of all, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Eternal, the Logos, the Sustainer of ALL things, the Great I AM, the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." did not die on the Cross
                            His life never ceases

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post

                              I would argue that yes, you can carry a spirit because it's part of a person. In this case, Jesus, being fully God and fully Man, was carried by Mary. Which is, again, why Mary is the mother of God, because that's who Jesus is.

                              It's Christian doctrine that defended Christology from heretics in 431 A.D.
                              Where does scripture say that (1) Mary is the mother of God and that (2) Mary carried God in her womb?

                              And yes, I'd like those specific words.
                              We are either in the process of resisting God's truth or in the process of being shaped and molded by his truth … Charles Stanley

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
                                Well, you acknowledge the Council of Jerusalem.
                                The meeting is recorded in Scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit...unlike all the gatherings and writings you follow.

                                And as you see according to CARM, they acknowledge the 7 ecumenical councils agreed upon by most/all Christians.
                                "They"? Who is "they"?

                                By the way, you say "the witness of the Apostles".
                                Yeah. That tends to be important to Christ followers. I know you Roman Catholics have no real use for it. Catholics seek "the witness of councils"....of which they only believe and obey the parts they cherry pick.

                                The Apostles held a council to determine what should happen in the community.
                                That was a local meeting to address the false teaching coming out of Judea.

                                Why reject what the Apostles did
                                I obviously do not. The Apostles did not convene all those very late arriving councils you have a crush on. Actually, the Apostles and all the churches they planted turned their world absolutely upside down for Jesus Christ...WITHOUT all these meet ups and arguments and debates you are so dependent on.

                                Sad.

                                and what the Christian Church did?
                                You mean what some guys did.

                                And we know Catholics feel the same because they cherry pick what they will follow and believe from those same councils...and ignore the rest.

                                I am not interested in that life of hypocrisy.

                                Unless you realize you don't belong to historical Christianity.
                                There is no such thing as a faith called "historical Christianity."

                                I follow the faith taught by Christ and His Apostles. You are not even following their doctrines, instead following a late arriving religion you call "historical Christianity"!

                                LOL.

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                                "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."- John F. Kennedy

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