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  • Calsgal
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    Originally posted by tester View Post
    the tile of RamCam2's thread is "Infallible interpretation of verses"
    Protestants don't claim to have infallible lists: that would require omniscience.

    RC2's list is also found at EWTN
    http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showme...30&language=en

    along with the comment " that this is a nice collection of teachings which have a biblical basis. I am not inclined to think that the list is exhaustive, "

    RC2's list is also found at Cathoicfidelty dot com
    https://www.catholicfidelity.com/apo...-by-the-church

    along with 3 other different lists


    Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church
    These lists are guesses and nothing more...Rome has never disclosed their "infallibly defined scripture" My guess is that way it is subject to change

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  • Atemi
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    these are the fifteen verses infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church.
    1. Where did you plagiarize this from?
    2. The Magisterium of your sect did not provide this list.
    3. You just made this up or it is just your lonely opinion...no different than 1 billion other Roman Catholic opinions.

    Why are you trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the posters here? I am surprised not one Catholic has had the backbone to correct you by now.

    ...

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  • Calsgal
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    Where is your church's official list?
    Where is the link to yours? Truth is Rome has never disclosed which scriptures have been infallibly interpreted

    http://www.catholic365.com/article/3...en-verses.html

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/has-the-...s-of-scripture

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  • Calsgal
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    these are the fifteen verses infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church.

    (1) Romans 5:12 ("By one man sin entered into this world") refers to original sin.

    (2) I Corinthians 4:7 ("What hast thou that thou hast not received") proves divine grace to be a sheer gift of God.

    (3) Isaiah 7:14 ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, etc." [sic]) must be regarded as prophetic of a Redeemer to come.

    (4) Genesis 3:15 ("I will put enmity between thee and the woman"), and Luke 1:28 ("Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee") contain at least implicitly the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    (5) Philippians 2:6 ("Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not prize being equal with God, etc." [sic]) refers to the existence of the person of Christ as the Second Divine Person of the Holy Trinity before He became man in the Incarnation.

    (6) Matthew 16:16-19 ("Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church") and John 21:15-17 ("Feed my lambs . . . Feed my sheep") contain the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.

    (7) Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not and do thou . . . confirm thy brethren") must be interpreted as providing a basis for the doctrine of Papal Infallibility.

    (8) John 3:5 ("Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God") shows the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism with water.

    (9) Luke 22:19 and I Corinthians 11:24, recording our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "Do this for a commemoration of me", indicate the institution of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the apostles being ordained as priests to offer the Sacrifice of the Mass or Holy Eucharist.

    (10) Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-20; I Corinthians 11:23-29, demand the literal and not merely a symbolical interpretation of our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "This is my body," "This is my blood," so that we must hold they teach the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist or Blessed Sacrament.

    (11) Malachi 1:11 ("From the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles; and in every place there is sacrifice") is a prediction of the Sacrifice of the Mass.

    (12) John 6:54-57 ("unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood") does not require Communion in both kinds instead of under the form of bread only.

    (13) Matthew 18:18 ("Whatsoever you shall loose upon earth shall be loosed also in heaven") and John 20:23 ("Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them") prove the Sacrament of Penance and the power of priests to forgive sins in confession.

    (14) James 5:14 ("Is any man sick . . . let him bring in the priests of the Church . . . anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord") teaches the existence of the Sacrament of Extreme Unction.

    (15) Deuteronomy 6:5 and Matthew 22:37 ("Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and souls and mind and strength") do not require a love so spiritual and out of this world as to exclude all human emotional feelings and desires based on devotional sentiments.


    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?

    Because others ay there is no official list

    https://www.catholicconvert.com/blog...ed-difinitely/
    Could we have the link to the site?

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  • Nondenom40
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    Originally posted by mica View Post
    with all the yrs that catholic claim it existed, this is it? and at least the majority of those are glaringly wrong.

    I guess they've been too busy making up other beliefs, doctrines etc, to actually spend time to find out what is meant by verses in God's word.

    Glaringly is a kind word. And don't ya love that at least one was dogmatically defined as implied? In 2000 years allegedly, the whole Bible should have been infallible defined. Talk about a wasted gift (although it doesn't exist).

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post

    I mean, if we're interpreting Scripture by Scripture, you have to accept the Catholic Church. :P
    what Scripture interpreting Scripture leads to this?

    "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

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  • Geralt_De_Sales
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    Originally posted by mica View Post
    in scripture
    I mean, if we're interpreting Scripture by Scripture, you have to accept the Catholic Church. :P

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

    did you offer an official list?

    what I saw were articles of faith (the Creed is among the first of such)

    are those considered infallible?

    btw ramcam's list came from a reputable book

    Questions People Ask About the Catholic Church by Fr. Leslie Rumble (Kensington, Australia: Chevalier, 1972), pp. 176-177, answer to Question #332: "What are all the biblical texts infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church?":
    the tile of RamCam2's thread is "Infallible interpretation of verses"
    Protestants don't claim to have infallible lists: that would require omniscience.

    RC2's list is also found at EWTN
    http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showme...30&language=en

    along with the comment " that this is a nice collection of teachings which have a biblical basis. I am not inclined to think that the list is exhaustive, "

    RC2's list is also found at Cathoicfidelty dot com
    https://www.catholicfidelity.com/apo...-by-the-church

    along with 3 other different lists


    Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church

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  • Curious Joe
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    seems to be different than RamCam2's list

    is there an OFFICIAL list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church?
    did you offer an official list?

    what I saw were articles of faith (the Creed is among the first of such)

    are those considered infallible?

    btw ramcam's list came from a reputable book

    Questions People Ask About the Catholic Church by Fr. Leslie Rumble (Kensington, Australia: Chevalier, 1972), pp. 176-177, answer to Question #332: "What are all the biblical texts infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church?":

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

    I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
    Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
    And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
    Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1: 35)
    born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2: 7)
    suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19: 16)
    was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19: 29 – 42)
    He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3: 19 – 20)
    on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
    He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24: 51)
    and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1: 3)
    the Father almighty; (Mk 14: 36)
    from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10: 39
    to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14: 15 – 20; Acts 1: 7 – 8)
    the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16: 18 – 19; Eph 5: 26-27; Col 1: 24)
    the communion of Saints, (Mt 28: 19 – 20; 2 Cor 11: 13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
    the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20: 22 – 23)
    the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15: 51 – 54; 1 Thes 4: 13 – 18)
    and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5: 20)
    seems to be different than RamCam2's list

    is there an OFFICIAL list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church?

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  • Curious Joe
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    Originally posted by tester View Post


    and that is nearly identical to the links I provided in post 23

    RamCam2

    now it is your turn
    Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church
    I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
    Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
    And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
    Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1: 35)
    born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2: 7)
    suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19: 16)
    was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19: 29 42)
    He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3: 19 20)
    on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
    He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24: 51)
    and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1: 3)
    the Father almighty; (Mk 14: 36)
    from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10: 39
    to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14: 15 20; Acts 1: 7 8)
    the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16: 18 19; Eph 5: 26-27; Col 1: 24)
    the communion of Saints, (Mt 28: 19 20; 2 Cor 11: 13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
    the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20: 22 23)
    the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15: 51 54; 1 Thes 4: 13 18)
    and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5: 20)

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    wait, wait, wait.....

    first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

    and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism

    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
    and that is nearly identical to the links I provided in post 23

    RamCam2

    now it is your turn
    Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

    Any reason why you're not willing to post the site of your particular church? You quote other churches, but not your own. What are you ashamed of?
    ashamed ? no!

    Trusting? no!

    there is/are certain Catholic poster(s) here who seemed to have archived quite a collection of my past posts.
    Some of the past posts mention my age, and my position and responsibilities in my church.

    As my name , address, and my picture is located on my Church's website it would take only a few moments to connect the dots from my previous posts and identify me, my wife, and where I live.

    But know this: my Church's statement of beliefs is nearly identical to one of these links below: and if you didn't notice, they are all very similar..
    So no , there is no reason for you to know exactly what church I attend,

    http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

    http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

    http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html

    http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/
    Last edited by tester; 07-10-18, 12:13 PM.

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  • thatcatholicguy
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    it looks something like this:
    http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

    and something like this:
    http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

    and something like this:
    http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html


    and something like this:
    http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/

    That seems like an official list of verses and their interpretations from those churches.
    Any reason why you're not willing to post the site of your particular church? You quote other churches, but not your own. What are you ashamed of?

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    Please post it for the benefit of those who missed it. Thanks.
    Oh very well here we go again: - https://ag.org/Beliefs/Statement-of-...ental-Truths#2

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