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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    wait, wait, wait.....

    first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

    and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism




    it looks something like this:
    http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

    and something like this:
    http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

    and something like this:
    http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html


    and something like this:
    http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/

    That seems like an official list of verses and their interpretations from those churches.
    Last edited by tester; 07-10-18, 09:46 AM.

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    Sure. No such list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church exists.
    prove me wrong
    wait, wait, wait.....

    first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

    and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    I hope you have a good reason for saying I lied in what I posted.
    Sure. No such list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church exists.
    prove me wrong

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    nope: not saying that we do not have an official list:

    What I am saying is that you do not have an official list of infallibly interpreted verses (the title of your thread)
    I hope you have a good reason for saying I lied in what I posted.

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    at my non-denominational church's website,, in our "what we believe: section, each listed believe is backed up with multiple Bible verses.
    That seems like official list of verses and their interpretations from my Church.
    well, in the footnotes of the catechism are not only bible verses but also council decrees, papal encyclicals, ecf writings, etc....

    can you post you church's website???

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    are you saying your church does not have a list?
    nope: not saying that we do not have an official list:

    What I am saying is that you do not have an official list of infallibly interpreted verses (the title of your thread)

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.
    at my non-denominational church's website,, in our "what we believe: section, each listed believe is backed up with multiple Bible verses.
    That seems like official list of verses and their interpretations from my Church.

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by jeremiah1five View Post
    God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. Thus, God created Adam sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark of the glory of God.
    The translators translate the Greek "hamartia" as "sin."
    There is only One God. God created Adam/man sinful, or missing the mark of the glory of God because there is only ONE God.
    Not two.


    Grace is defined in Scripture as "unmerited favor."
    Grace is a gift. We can't do anything to receive it.

    Isaiah's wife is who is being spoken of here, but since it is prophecy and Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and for ever is the foundation of prophecy. It is in context to the past, present, and future. It prophesies Messiah being born to a woman. "Mary full of grace" doesn't mean Mary was sinless, she wasn't. It means of all the Hebrew women she was the one chosen of God to physically bring forth Israel's Messiah Jesus Christ.

    NO ONE was born sinless except Jesus. Everyone including Mary is a sinner in need of a Savior. Mary called God "my Savior" indicating she, too, was a sinner in need of a Savior.

    Agree.

    No. Jesus builds His Church. Not the pope.

    No, it means that Peter was a sinner and as a sinner is he was just as prone to getting it wrong just like us other bottom-feeders who think one can just UP and go to God without being call.

    Necessary? No.


    I am a priest but I don't offer those kind of sacrifices. The communion/meal in Scripture is the Passover Meal. Unless you do it in accordance to Scripture then you fail.
    It was a meal. Dinner. Supper. Nothing "spiritual" about it at all. It was a meal. A Passover Meal. Don't elevate it to godlike status.


    As a believer Jesus calls me a priest. All believers are priests. The real Presence of Christ does not inhabit inanimate objects. His Presence is IN PEOPLE. Not things.

    No it is not. You're reaching.

    What??

    If someone cuts in front of me in line I can forgive with or without excuse. Who will you forgive today? ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN IN MAN THAT SEPARATES MAN FROM GOD.


    I can perform this if someone is dying. I would say "Bye-bye."

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    Too many.
    I am not asking you to refute/comment on the interpretations.

    what I am asking is this....

    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?

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  • ramcam2
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    error

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    Do you?
    please point us to the official list of Infallibly interpreted verses of the Catholic Church:

    I'll save you time:
    It doesn't exist, and you know it!
    <just when I think Catholic apologetics can't get any lower>
    Case closed
    are you saying your church does not have a list?

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by tester View Post

    what is the source of YOUR list that you provided?
    show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

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  • jeremiah1five
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    these are the fifteen verses infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church.

    (1) Romans 5:12 ("By one man sin entered into this world") refers to original sin.
    God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. Thus, God created Adam sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark of the glory of God.
    The translators translate the Greek "hamartia" as "sin."
    There is only One God. God created Adam/man sinful, or missing the mark of the glory of God because there is only ONE God.
    Not two.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (2) I Corinthians 4:7 ("What hast thou that thou hast not received") proves divine grace to be a sheer gift of God.

    Grace is defined in Scripture as "unmerited favor."
    Grace is a gift. We can't do anything to receive it.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (3) Isaiah 7:14 ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, etc." [sic]) must be regarded as prophetic of a Redeemer to come.
    Isaiah's wife is who is being spoken of here, but since it is prophecy and Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and for ever is the foundation of prophecy. It is in context to the past, present, and future. It prophesies Messiah being born to a woman. "Mary full of grace" doesn't mean Mary was sinless, she wasn't. It means of all the Hebrew women she was the one chosen of God to physically bring forth Israel's Messiah Jesus Christ.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (4) Genesis 3:15 ("I will put enmity between thee and the woman"), and Luke 1:28 ("Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee") contain at least implicitly the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    NO ONE was born sinless except Jesus. Everyone including Mary is a sinner in need of a Savior. Mary called God "my Savior" indicating she, too, was a sinner in need of a Savior.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (5) Philippians 2:6 ("Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not prize being equal with God, etc." [sic]) refers to the existence of the person of Christ as the Second Divine Person of the Holy Trinity before He became man in the Incarnation.
    Agree.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (6) Matthew 16:16-19 ("Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church") and John 21:15-17 ("Feed my lambs . . . Feed my sheep") contain the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
    No. Jesus builds His Church. Not the pope.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (7) Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not and do thou . . . confirm thy brethren") must be interpreted as providing a basis for the doctrine of Papal Infallibility.
    No, it means that Peter was a sinner and as a sinner is he was just as prone to getting it wrong just like us other bottom-feeders who think one can just UP and go to God without being call.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (8) John 3:5 ("Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God") shows the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism with water.
    Necessary? No.


    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (9) Luke 22:19 and I Corinthians 11:24, recording our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "Do this for a commemoration of me", indicate the institution of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the apostles being ordained as priests to offer the Sacrifice of the Mass or Holy Eucharist.
    I am a priest but I don't offer those kind of sacrifices. The communion/meal in Scripture is the Passover Meal. Unless you do it in accordance to Scripture then you fail.
    It was a meal. Dinner. Supper. Nothing "spiritual" about it at all. It was a meal. A Passover Meal. Don't elevate it to godlike status.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (10) Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-20; I Corinthians 11:23-29, demand the literal and not merely a symbolical interpretation of our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "This is my body," "This is my blood," so that we must hold they teach the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist or Blessed Sacrament.

    As a believer Jesus calls me a priest. All believers are priests. The real Presence of Christ does not inhabit inanimate objects. His Presence is IN PEOPLE. Not things.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (11) Malachi 1:11 ("From the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles; and in every place there is sacrifice") is a prediction of the Sacrifice of the Mass.
    No it is not. You're reaching.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (12) John 6:54-57 ("unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood") does not require Communion in both kinds instead of under the form of bread only.
    What??

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (13) Matthew 18:18 ("Whatsoever you shall loose upon earth shall be loosed also in heaven") and John 20:23 ("Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them") prove the Sacrament of Penance and the power of priests to forgive sins in confession.
    If someone cuts in front of me in line I can forgive with or without excuse. Who will you forgive today? ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN IN MAN THAT SEPARATES MAN FROM GOD.

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (14) James 5:14 ("Is any man sick . . . let him bring in the priests of the Church . . . anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord") teaches the existence of the Sacrament of Extreme Unction.

    I can perform this if someone is dying. I would say "Bye-bye."

    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    (15) Deuteronomy 6:5 and Matthew 22:37 ("Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and souls and mind and strength") do not require a love so spiritual and out of this world as to exclude all human emotional feelings and desires based on devotional sentiments.
    Actually, it does. Love is not a feeling, it's an action - a verb.
    God so loved that He [did something, an action], He gave [something, or someone.]


    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?
    Too many.

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

    Do you have such a list or none?
    Do you?
    please point us to the official list of Infallibly interpreted verses of the Catholic Church:

    I'll save you time:
    It doesn't exist, and you know it!
    <just when I think Catholic apologetics can't get any lower>
    Case closed
    Last edited by tester; 07-10-18, 06:42 AM.

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  • tester
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post
    these are the fifteen verses infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church.

    (1) Romans 5:12 ("By one man sin entered into this world") refers to original sin.

    (2) I Corinthians 4:7 ("What hast thou that thou hast not received") proves divine grace to be a sheer gift of God.

    (3) Isaiah 7:14 ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, etc." [sic]) must be regarded as prophetic of a Redeemer to come.

    (4) Genesis 3:15 ("I will put enmity between thee and the woman"), and Luke 1:28 ("Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee") contain at least implicitly the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    (5) Philippians 2:6 ("Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not prize being equal with God, etc." [sic]) refers to the existence of the person of Christ as the Second Divine Person of the Holy Trinity before He became man in the Incarnation.

    (6) Matthew 16:16-19 ("Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church") and John 21:15-17 ("Feed my lambs . . . Feed my sheep") contain the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.

    (7) Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not and do thou . . . confirm thy brethren") must be interpreted as providing a basis for the doctrine of Papal Infallibility.

    (8) John 3:5 ("Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God") shows the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism with water.

    (9) Luke 22:19 and I Corinthians 11:24, recording our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "Do this for a commemoration of me", indicate the institution of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the apostles being ordained as priests to offer the Sacrifice of the Mass or Holy Eucharist.

    (10) Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-20; I Corinthians 11:23-29, demand the literal and not merely a symbolical interpretation of our Lord's words at the Last Supper: "This is my body," "This is my blood," so that we must hold they teach the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist or Blessed Sacrament.

    (11) Malachi 1:11 ("From the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles; and in every place there is sacrifice") is a prediction of the Sacrifice of the Mass.

    (12) John 6:54-57 ("unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood") does not require Communion in both kinds instead of under the form of bread only.

    (13) Matthew 18:18 ("Whatsoever you shall loose upon earth shall be loosed also in heaven") and John 20:23 ("Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them") prove the Sacrament of Penance and the power of priests to forgive sins in confession.

    (14) James 5:14 ("Is any man sick . . . let him bring in the priests of the Church . . . anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord") teaches the existence of the Sacrament of Extreme Unction.

    (15) Deuteronomy 6:5 and Matthew 22:37 ("Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and souls and mind and strength") do not require a love so spiritual and out of this world as to exclude all human emotional feelings and desires based on devotional sentiments.


    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?
    what is the source of YOUR list that you provided?

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  • ramcam2
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    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post


    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?
    it is very disappointing.

    non-caths keep on chiding the church for the official interpretation of verses. but, now that I have posted such a list and am asking for their church's list, all they can do is the usual evade and deny tactic.

    is the official interpretation of verses for the catholic church only?

    don't they have such a list?

    I guess, not all denomination have a single united interpretation of a verse.

    case closed.

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