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  • #16
    Originally posted by jeremiah1five View Post
    God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. Thus, God created Adam sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark of the glory of God.
    The translators translate the Greek "hamartia" as "sin."
    There is only One God. God created Adam/man sinful, or missing the mark of the glory of God because there is only ONE God.
    Not two.


    Grace is defined in Scripture as "unmerited favor."
    Grace is a gift. We can't do anything to receive it.

    Isaiah's wife is who is being spoken of here, but since it is prophecy and Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and for ever is the foundation of prophecy. It is in context to the past, present, and future. It prophesies Messiah being born to a woman. "Mary full of grace" doesn't mean Mary was sinless, she wasn't. It means of all the Hebrew women she was the one chosen of God to physically bring forth Israel's Messiah Jesus Christ.

    NO ONE was born sinless except Jesus. Everyone including Mary is a sinner in need of a Savior. Mary called God "my Savior" indicating she, too, was a sinner in need of a Savior.

    Agree.

    No. Jesus builds His Church. Not the pope.

    No, it means that Peter was a sinner and as a sinner is he was just as prone to getting it wrong just like us other bottom-feeders who think one can just UP and go to God without being call.

    Necessary? No.


    I am a priest but I don't offer those kind of sacrifices. The communion/meal in Scripture is the Passover Meal. Unless you do it in accordance to Scripture then you fail.
    It was a meal. Dinner. Supper. Nothing "spiritual" about it at all. It was a meal. A Passover Meal. Don't elevate it to godlike status.


    As a believer Jesus calls me a priest. All believers are priests. The real Presence of Christ does not inhabit inanimate objects. His Presence is IN PEOPLE. Not things.

    No it is not. You're reaching.

    What??

    If someone cuts in front of me in line I can forgive with or without excuse. Who will you forgive today? ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN IN MAN THAT SEPARATES MAN FROM GOD.


    I can perform this if someone is dying. I would say "Bye-bye."

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    Too many.
    I am not asking you to refute/comment on the interpretations.

    what I am asking is this....

    For the non-Catholics, can you list the verses officially interpreted by your church?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

      show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.
      at my non-denominational church's website,, in our "what we believe: section, each listed believe is backed up with multiple Bible verses.
      That seems like official list of verses and their interpretations from my Church.
      One of the ekklēsia

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

        are you saying your church does not have a list?
        nope: not saying that we do not have an official list:

        What I am saying is that you do not have an official list of infallibly interpreted verses (the title of your thread)
        One of the ekklēsia

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tester View Post

          at my non-denominational church's website,, in our "what we believe: section, each listed believe is backed up with multiple Bible verses.
          That seems like official list of verses and their interpretations from my Church.
          well, in the footnotes of the catechism are not only bible verses but also council decrees, papal encyclicals, ecf writings, etc....

          can you post you church's website???

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          • #20
            Originally posted by tester View Post

            nope: not saying that we do not have an official list:

            What I am saying is that you do not have an official list of infallibly interpreted verses (the title of your thread)
            I hope you have a good reason for saying I lied in what I posted.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

              I hope you have a good reason for saying I lied in what I posted.
              Sure. No such list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church exists.
              prove me wrong
              One of the ekklēsia

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              • #22
                Originally posted by tester View Post

                Sure. No such list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church exists.
                prove me wrong
                wait, wait, wait.....

                first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

                and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                  wait, wait, wait.....

                  first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

                  and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism




                  it looks something like this:
                  http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

                  and something like this:
                  http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

                  and something like this:
                  http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html


                  and something like this:
                  http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/

                  That seems like an official list of verses and their interpretations from those churches.
                  Last edited by tester; 07-10-18, 09:46 AM.
                  One of the ekklēsia

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                    Please post it for the benefit of those who missed it. Thanks.
                    Oh very well here we go again: - https://ag.org/Beliefs/Statement-of-...ental-Truths#2

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by tester View Post

                      it looks something like this:
                      http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

                      and something like this:
                      http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

                      and something like this:
                      http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html


                      and something like this:
                      http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/

                      That seems like an official list of verses and their interpretations from those churches.
                      Any reason why you're not willing to post the site of your particular church? You quote other churches, but not your own. What are you ashamed of?
                      Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia, Ibi Deus
                      "Where Peter is, there is the Church, there is God."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by thatcatholicguy View Post

                        Any reason why you're not willing to post the site of your particular church? You quote other churches, but not your own. What are you ashamed of?
                        ashamed ? no!

                        Trusting? no!

                        there is/are certain Catholic poster(s) here who seemed to have archived quite a collection of my past posts.
                        Some of the past posts mention my age, and my position and responsibilities in my church.

                        As my name , address, and my picture is located on my Church's website it would take only a few moments to connect the dots from my previous posts and identify me, my wife, and where I live.

                        But know this: my Church's statement of beliefs is nearly identical to one of these links below: and if you didn't notice, they are all very similar..
                        So no , there is no reason for you to know exactly what church I attend,

                        http://www.cbcnorthpole.net/site/pom...c_id=180005424

                        http://ebcofvista.com/about-us-2/

                        http://www.ccc138.org/doctrinal-statement.html

                        http://thechapelbr.com/doctrine/
                        Last edited by tester; 07-10-18, 12:13 PM.
                        One of the ekklēsia

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ramcam2 View Post

                          wait, wait, wait.....

                          first, show me your church's list first, then I will show you my source and you can show me your source, too.

                          and do not point me to your 'we believe section' of your website (you have yet to give the website) for I can point you also to our catechism

                          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
                          and that is nearly identical to the links I provided in post 23

                          RamCam2

                          now it is your turn
                          Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church
                          One of the ekklēsia

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tester View Post


                            and that is nearly identical to the links I provided in post 23

                            RamCam2

                            now it is your turn
                            Please proved the list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church
                            I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
                            Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
                            And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
                            Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1: 35)
                            born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2: 7)
                            suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19: 16)
                            was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19: 29 42)
                            He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3: 19 20)
                            on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
                            He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24: 51)
                            and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1: 3)
                            the Father almighty; (Mk 14: 36)
                            from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10: 39
                            to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
                            I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14: 15 20; Acts 1: 7 8)
                            the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16: 18 19; Eph 5: 26-27; Col 1: 24)
                            the communion of Saints, (Mt 28: 19 20; 2 Cor 11: 13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
                            the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20: 22 23)
                            the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15: 51 54; 1 Thes 4: 13 18)
                            and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5: 20)
                            Your life has shown you to your flock as a rule of faith, an image of gentleness, and a teacher of moderation. You acquired greatness through humility and wealth through poverty. [source: Troparion of St.Nicholas (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                              I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
                              Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
                              And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
                              Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1: 35)
                              born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2: 7)
                              suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19: 16)
                              was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19: 29 – 42)
                              He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3: 19 – 20)
                              on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
                              He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24: 51)
                              and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1: 3)
                              the Father almighty; (Mk 14: 36)
                              from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10: 39
                              to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
                              I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14: 15 – 20; Acts 1: 7 – 8)
                              the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16: 18 – 19; Eph 5: 26-27; Col 1: 24)
                              the communion of Saints, (Mt 28: 19 – 20; 2 Cor 11: 13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
                              the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20: 22 – 23)
                              the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15: 51 – 54; 1 Thes 4: 13 – 18)
                              and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5: 20)
                              seems to be different than RamCam2's list

                              is there an OFFICIAL list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church?
                              One of the ekklēsia

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by tester View Post

                                seems to be different than RamCam2's list

                                is there an OFFICIAL list of infallibly interpreted verses from the Catholic Church?
                                did you offer an official list?

                                what I saw were articles of faith (the Creed is among the first of such)

                                are those considered infallible?

                                btw ramcam's list came from a reputable book

                                Questions People Ask About the Catholic Church by Fr. Leslie Rumble (Kensington, Australia: Chevalier, 1972), pp. 176-177, answer to Question #332: "What are all the biblical texts infallibly interpreted by the Catholic Church?":
                                Your life has shown you to your flock as a rule of faith, an image of gentleness, and a teacher of moderation. You acquired greatness through humility and wealth through poverty. [source: Troparion of St.Nicholas (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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