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  • Apostasy

    It's a simple question: When did the Christian Church apostatize and introduce the pagan beliefs that became Catholicism?
    “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales


  • #2
    Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
    When did the Christian Church apostatize and introduce the pagan beliefs that became Catholicism?
    Apparently by the 3rd century stuff (like the Marian heresies probably based on Diana/Artimis) was coming in. by 1000 A.D. Purgatory showed up, so the corruption of Catholicism started early, and keeps growing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
      It's a simple question: When did the Christian Church apostatize and introduce the pagan beliefs that became Catholicism?
      This comes up occasionally. I say never. Your church was spawned hundreds of years post apostolic age and was never in line with scripture.
      Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

        This comes up occasionally. I say never. Your church was spawned hundreds of years post apostolic age and was never in line with scripture.
        By who, when and how? What authority has declared it officially 'apostate'?

        The Catholic Church as a tradition of studying and preserving records of heretical teaching and who and when and how they've deviated. There never seems to be any theological study produced by our accusers or any specific dates when the Church was official apostate.
        The crones love their cliques!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
          It's a simple question: When did the Christian Church apostatize and introduce the pagan beliefs that became Catholicism?
          n>"Simple"? Is that some sort of joke? Kinda like this funny: "It's a simple question: When did the world decide to use plastic?" Funny. Like your OP. How about if you start with what you say is your definition to your use of "apostatize." Simple?


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

            This comes up occasionally. I say never. Your church was spawned hundreds of years post apostolic age and was never in line with scripture.
            Do you have proof to back up your opinion?
            May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in Heaven, on Earth, and under the Earth by all the creatures of God and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Geralt_De_Sales View Post
              It's a simple question: When did the Christian Church apostatize and introduce the pagan beliefs that became Catholicism?
              Never. The apostasy never happened. It can't. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against his Church. It's really boils down to a lack of faith in Jesus that he can't do what he says.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noemail001 View Post

                n>"Simple"? Is that some sort of joke? Kinda like this funny: "It's a simple question: When did the world decide to use plastic?" Funny. Like your OP. How about if you start with what you say is your definition to your use of "apostatize." Simple?


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                I would define it as "falling away from the Christian beliefs/faith it proclaims".

                CARM defines it as such:

                It is a revolt against the truth of God’s word by a believer. It can also describe a group or church organization that has "fallen away" from the truths of Christianity as revealed in the Bible.
                “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                  Apparently by the 3rd century stuff (like the Marian heresies probably based on Diana/Artimis) was coming in. by 1000 A.D. Purgatory showed up, so the corruption of Catholicism started early, and keeps growing.
                  I would argue that there is no comparison between Mary and Artemis. Artemis was a hunter and goddess of the hunt/forests. I don't see the correlation there.

                  Where was early Christianity in the 3rd century? Who lived/proclaimed the Gospel then, and where are their writings?
                  “Have Jesus always for your patron, His Cross for a mast on which you must spread your resolutions as a sail. Your anchor shall be a profound confidence in Him, and you shall sail prosperously.” ― St. Francis de Sales

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mercedes View Post

                    By who, when and how? What authority has declared it officially 'apostate'?

                    The Catholic Church as a tradition of studying and preserving records of heretical teaching and who and when and how they've deviated. There never seems to be any theological study produced by our accusers or any specific dates when the Church was official apostate.
                    Again it's my opinion your church never was on the right track to begin with. It's always been heretical. And in your case it was a progression. There was no Joseph Smith or Mary Baker Eddy to say hey we're here. I don't need to know the exact date your church started or by whom. I just know it's teachings have no place in the Bible.
                    Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Philomena View Post

                      Do you have proof to back up your opinion?
                      The last 10 years here. The history of your church, it's offices, it's practices and it's beliefs.
                      Eph 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them NASB

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post

                        Your church was spawned hundreds of years post apostolic age and was never in line with scripture.
                        Be specific. Generalities like this is just cover for you not knowing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mark Rome View Post

                          Never. The apostasy never happened. It can't. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against his Church. It's really boils down to a lack of faith in Jesus that he can't do what he says.
                          nor will it, He is still with us and always will be, but the RC is not His church, it stands on sand.

                          that fits totally with the RCC. According to it, it and its people have to help Him - because He can't do what He says He'll do.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nondenom40 View Post
                            I don't need to know the exact date your church started or by whom.
                            The Catholic Church started in 33AD. We have the pedigree going back to the Apostles. When did your church start?

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                            • #15
                              Post the question to the mods if you suspect a poster is using 2 accounts

                              For sure, the answer is no
                              Last edited by Mod8; 07-11-18, 01:36 AM. Reason: moderating
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